Age Change Discussion/Impacts (Except for August Birthdays Playing "Down")

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine what would have happened if you kept the forwards.

As a parent Ive gone though playing 11v11 early and my assessment is that its not what you want to do with your kid. 11v11 is a different game and requires different skills. Stay small sided game as long as you can. Then the jump to 11v11 will be easy.

Our club's best teams are when we can hang onto top forwards AND our keepers stay.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine what would have happened if you kept the forwards.

As a parent Ive gone though playing 11v11 early and my assessment is that its not what you want to do with your kid. 11v11 is a different game and requires different skills. Stay small sided game as long as you can. Then the jump to 11v11 will be easy.

Our club's best teams are when we can hang onto top forwards AND our keepers stay.

What's a top forward?

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine what would have happened if you kept the forwards.

As a parent Ive gone though playing 11v11 early and my assessment is that its not what you want to do with your kid. 11v11 is a different game and requires different skills. Stay small sided game as long as you can. Then the jump to 11v11 will be easy.

Our club's best teams are when we can hang onto top forwards AND our keepers stay.

What's a top forward?

For us, a kid(s) that can consistently finish. They score the goals. Not necessarily the fastest or the best on the ball (That helps). Needs to know the position and where to be in the attacking-third (at midfield they need to hold the ball so others can join the attack, you know?). I mean all the passing in the world does wonders BUT when that's your focus you tend to have players who won't pull the trigger.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Agreed. I think a lot of clubs exploit our lack of knowledge and push towards 11v11 earlier for larger roster sizes and more $$$

They use the parents egos and ignorance against their own kids

Parents who want to see passing that leads to winning games while their kid isn't developing as an individual player

While I agree, staying small sided develops 1v1 skills and small sided passing- which is awesome. I think the clubs also know that a lot of kids will quit when the serious running occurs 11v11. So they want to know who will be sticking with the team when that big jump occurs. So they balance small sided training, w/ 11 v 11 games to decide who will actually stick around when things are starting to get serious. Seems like a decent compromise. Plus, kids finding space on a larger field and getting their endurance up sooner is also a benefit. I don’t know which is best, but I can see both sides. If the move to 11v11 in games is too soon for you, there are other club options. Not sure why the ire here - you should know what you club plans, and if you don’t agree, vote with your feet. Most of the best girls teams in the area play up a year at this time to do 11v11 a year early and also play 9v9, they double up on leagues to do both. So what is the issue with that? Or are you not with a team that plays both at that age? Seems like that is your issue for not asking questions - just saying.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Posession players can play direct

Direct players can only play direct

This is why you eant to teach posession from a young age.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

"You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills "

You can't dribble out of every situation either. Or else, players would just be doing that all of the time.

"All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. "

Why did the EPL academy sessions I attended a few years ago (at the below U12 level) all focus on passing? I mean, they focused on every little detail of passing to an insane extent, way way more than we do here with kids that age.

All players can be taught to pass, at an average skill level, later. Sure. Just like all players can be taught to dribble, at an average skill level. Being elite at either requires an insane amount of work and repetition.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

"You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills "

You can't dribble out of every situation either. Or else, players would just be doing that all of the time.

"All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. "

Why did the EPL academy sessions I attended a few years ago (at the below U12 level) all focus on passing? I mean, they focused on every little detail of passing to an insane extent, way way more than we do here with kids that age.

All players can be taught to pass, at an average skill level, later. Sure. Just like all players can be taught to dribble, at an average skill level. Being elite at either requires an insane amount of work and repetition.

Who said you shouldn't know how to pass a ball?
Once again, everyone can pass.
Everyone doesn't have technical 1v1 skills.
Every technically skilled player can make passes.
Every passer doesn't have high technical skills.

You are shocked a club practices passing patterns in training? Isnt it a part of the game?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

"You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills "

You can't dribble out of every situation either. Or else, players would just be doing that all of the time.

"All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. "

Why did the EPL academy sessions I attended a few years ago (at the below U12 level) all focus on passing? I mean, they focused on every little detail of passing to an insane extent, way way more than we do here with kids that age.

All players can be taught to pass, at an average skill level, later. Sure. Just like all players can be taught to dribble, at an average skill level. Being elite at either requires an insane amount of work and repetition.

You just went against every professional youth development coach or club by saying technical skills can be saved to be learned later.

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There's a huge difference between a 5 yard pass to an unmoving target with neither under pressure and a perfectly weighted, curved ball that slices two defender to drop in front of an attacker.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

"You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills "

You can't dribble out of every situation either. Or else, players would just be doing that all of the time.

"All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. "

Why did the EPL academy sessions I attended a few years ago (at the below U12 level) all focus on passing? I mean, they focused on every little detail of passing to an insane extent, way way more than we do here with kids that age.

All players can be taught to pass, at an average skill level, later. Sure. Just like all players can be taught to dribble, at an average skill level. Being elite at either requires an insane amount of work and repetition.

Who said you shouldn't know how to pass a ball?
Once again, everyone can pass.
Everyone doesn't have technical 1v1 skills.
Every technically skilled player can make passes.
Every passer doesn't have high technical skills.

You are shocked a club practices passing patterns in training? Isnt it a part of the game?

"Who said you shouldn't know how to pass a ball?
Once again, everyone can pass."

You said it was easy. It is not. Sure, everyone can pass and everyone can dribble and take someone on. Being elite level at both things is extremely challenging.

"Everyone doesn't have technical 1v1 skills."

No shit.

"Every technically skilled player can make passes."

No shit.

"Every passer doesn't have high technical skills. "

Correct. And every dribbler doesn't have high technical skills either.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

"You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills "

You can't dribble out of every situation either. Or else, players would just be doing that all of the time.

"All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. "

Why did the EPL academy sessions I attended a few years ago (at the below U12 level) all focus on passing? I mean, they focused on every little detail of passing to an insane extent, way way more than we do here with kids that age.

All players can be taught to pass, at an average skill level, later. Sure. Just like all players can be taught to dribble, at an average skill level. Being elite at either requires an insane amount of work and repetition.

You just went against every professional youth development coach or club by saying technical skills can be saved to be learned later.

I don't think you can read. I am arguing that elite level passing and dribbling skills take a very long period of time to achieve, and starting when you can barely walk is a great idea.

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Do you think rosters will expand more than usual as to not drop as many kids and upset parents or most clubs with be business as usual? Particularly thinking about first team and whether they will keep a few up as to not upset parents as much, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Q4 birthday and made the u13 ECNL/GA team for the older SY team (e.g. playing up, when they could play u12 again). Our DC will be playing a SY up since they'll be 1. a starter and 2. playing against better competition at every practice. Since 9v9 play only happens once a week at games, I don't buy the small vs big field argument. My kid plays well on 11v11, though I could see some kids benefitting from a confidence boost by staying at their SY if they have superior technical skills. 11v11 is different game from 9v9 and some kids that excel at 9v9 don't excel at 11v11 and vice versa. My kid plays better at 11v11, so I have no concerns missing out on an extra chance at 9v9.

This is interesting insight. Do you mind providing more insight on what you're of players may excel more when they move to 11v11 over 9v9? And vice versa?

DP - but it's almost like a different sport (depending on how big those 9v9 fields were). So much more space and time for defenses to actually shut down one dominant player. Some kids have outgrown the field and develop bad habits that "win", much like 12 year old little leaguers hitting pop flys that would be an out but are home runs on the small field. Of course good coaching could stop the bad habits and everyone could get more time on the ball 9v9, but high level just defaults to whatever wins. 11 v 11 you really need top end speed/endurance to replicate what works on 9v9.

Makes sense, thanks. Was talking to a coach once and they were saying a player who was could be great at 9v9 by dribbling through several players, on a 11v11 field may turn on a player and look up to see there's still a whole lot of field left. They may have to modify their game to pass more. Also, striking a bigger ball may take time for some players to replicate their shot power.

Two players can pass faster than one player can run. American kids jump to 11v11 too soon. Stay on small fields longer. This way when players are bigger passing and ball control are maintained. Bigger bodies makes 11v11 the same as 9v9 if you delay the jump.

Technical comes before tactical

If before U15 your player doesn't have individual 1v1 skills and proficiency with manipulating the ball along with being able to solve problems quickly in small spaces, they will never reach the highest levels

Passing is easy to learn later

Every parent I have ever heard say this has a kid that was trained not to pass the ball, by their parents. The kids never learn to effectively pass the ball and when they should. They get cut by teams because they can’t play in a team environment. Learn to play as a team in the team environment, learn to dribble and attack in private training or on your own. Those skills are easily learned by yourself, but learning to play as a team takes training with a team.

Funny
You ever see teams getting recruited?

If you have technical skills, then you know how to both pass and control a ball
You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills

All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. Few have high level technical skills.

"You cant pass your way out of every situation, hence the need for creativity and 1v1 skills "

You can't dribble out of every situation either. Or else, players would just be doing that all of the time.

"All players can pass or be taught tactical passing later. "

Why did the EPL academy sessions I attended a few years ago (at the below U12 level) all focus on passing? I mean, they focused on every little detail of passing to an insane extent, way way more than we do here with kids that age.

All players can be taught to pass, at an average skill level, later. Sure. Just like all players can be taught to dribble, at an average skill level. Being elite at either requires an insane amount of work and repetition.

Who said you shouldn't know how to pass a ball?
Once again, everyone can pass.
Everyone doesn't have technical 1v1 skills.
Every technically skilled player can make passes.
Every passer doesn't have high technical skills.

You are shocked a club practices passing patterns in training? Isnt it a part of the game?

"Who said you shouldn't know how to pass a ball?
Once again, everyone can pass."

You said it was easy. It is not. Sure, everyone can pass and everyone can dribble and take someone on. Being elite level at both things is extremely challenging.

"Everyone doesn't have technical 1v1 skills."

No shit.

"Every technically skilled player can make passes."

No shit.

"Every passer doesn't have high technical skills. "

Correct. And every dribbler doesn't have high technical skills either.

PP never used the terms dribbler or dribbling. You did.
They said high technical skills, 1v1, creativity.

As great as Barcelona Academy graduates are at passing, they all have excellent 1v1 skills.

Curious, how can a top tier dribbler of the ball not have technical skills? What are they using