The rise of ADHD on elite campuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ADHD diagnosis gives you nice advantages in college admissions. There is no downside to getting diagnosed.

So there is a huge incentive and we are just seeing the results of that.

It is pretty much a safe assumption nowadays that when someone says ADHD, they are cheating.

Liar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and . . .

Stop the testing accommodations for kids newly diagnosed with ADHD in high school (if they really have ADHD, how did they previously qualify for those advanced classes and get top grades?) and encourage kids to acknowledge anxiety in novel situations and help them learn appropriate life skills to meet those new challenges.

+1000

Raising the next generation of grifters

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC was diagnosed with ADHD in college and received accommodation. Not surprising, since it runs in the family. Prior to diagnosis, National Merit Finalist and 1,580 SAT, obviously without accommodation. Full merit tuition ride at a T-20. All A in HS and still all A in college. I understand OP's skepticism, but perhaps should keep an open mind since every kid is different.

DC got that far without it: why is the accommodation necessary now?

Some of my favorite alternate version of this include:
Your child had cancer but hadn’t died before the cancer was diagnosed, why treat it now?

Or

Your kid failed the driving vision test? They’ve never needed glasses before, why get them now? They could just ride the bus everywhere instead.

That is a really dumb analogy. ADHD is not like cancer or low vision. If it exists, you cannot get through a demanding high school with all As, top scores, and admission to an elite university.

This is not true. Plenty of now adults, including my husband (TJ and HYP grad) did this without realizing they had ADHD because it was not well understood when they were kids.

+1 A highly intelligent person not diagnosed until adulthood can tell PP that you will never fully appreciate the relief the diagnosis brings, especially if medication helps. The level of extra mental work, work arounds, self reminders, lack of sleep to keep up with your own brain, stuggle to turn off your brain, extra energy used to keep focused or break hyperfocus, fighting the anxiety of not remembering people's names and being late, etc. that ADHD causes even in (maybe expecially in) extremly intelligent people is exhausting and can cause huge levels of anxiety. They are always working twice as hard as everyone else because of the effort to keep ADHD in check.

PP, the error you are making here is in thinking accommodations are causing the achievement -- no, the kid's intelligence is what it is.

A person with ADHD is trying to do what everyone else is doing with the intelligence they have, but also has a disability unrleated to their intelligence. While they are sitting in class or the board room or a court room with everyone else, they are simultaneously using a part of the brain and mental energy to:
- lift a heavy curtain that keeps unexpectedly dropping in front of their eyes,
- to try to adjust the volume in invisible earphones operated by invisible gremlins who really don't care,
- to constantly look at and focus on external clocks because the internal one sometimes runs fast and sometimes runs slow but never is the same as the external one,
- shoo away crowds of gnats flying around their brains shouting interesting but irrelevant factiods at them,
- tell the professor at the core of their brain that, while fascinating, now really isn't the time to solve the major world problem they work at endlesslly, while hoping and praying it isn't true that if they don't do it right now, it will be lost forever;
- and resist the impossible urge to daydrem about whatever floats into their conscience at any given moment unbeckoned.

It is a constant noise, like tinitius of the brain. People are able to stem this tide at varying degrees at at varying costs to their energy and metal well being. Some of us manage to achieve in spite of this, but at a price - an unnecessary price, we now know.

Accommodations and medication is about that huge added burden on the brain and avoiding that extra price on the head; it's about making up for or stopping all the stuff happening in the brain that other people either don't have at all or can turn off and on at will.

Medication can calm a lot of it and give you extra control. It can ease the anxiety it all causes too. This is what people diagnosed as adults discover.

Extra time for kids who are still trying to develop the copes and work arounds allows them to finish a test even though they involuntarily spent 20 or 30 minutes of the allotted time lifting the curtian, swatting the gnats or puzzling about Schroedinger's cat when they were supposed to be reading a poassage of poetry on the SAT test. It alleviates the anxiety of knowing they are about to be put on an external clock, when they have yet to devolp the skills to work around their broken internal clock. The net result is simply the ability to show what they know without the added suffering and unneeded extra mental strain caused by a disability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, and . . .

Stop the testing accommodations for kids newly diagnosed with ADHD in high school (if they really have ADHD, how did they previously qualify for those advanced classes and get top grades?) and encourage kids to acknowledge anxiety in novel situations and help them learn appropriate life skills to meet those new challenges.

I’m sure there are families who abuse the system, but here’s a different perspective. DS was diagnosed early in high school. In retrospect, I should have realized it much, much sooner. But I thought his experience was normal because it was the same as my experience. I honestly thought ADHD behaviors were how everyone lives. Turns out, his behaviors weren’t normal and neither were mine but as a GenX kid with no mental health supports, it took until my 50s (and him being diagnosed) for me to understand that. There are going to be some bad apples in any system, but I’d rather some bad apples squeeze through than kids who actually need support not be able to get it.

+1 Same experience. I really wish I had been able to see it sooner, but not only did I think it was normal, but because of my personal experience, I was already doing a ton of scaffolding by instinct at home (stuff I thought was normal, but would have been prescribed therapy for kids whose parents didn't have ADHD), but by high school I wasn't enough -- then it all came crashing down. I could have cried when I saw the transformation that the very first dose of medication allowed. It was like unlocking a door in his brain.

Well of course. Amphetamines make you feel good, confident and on point. Same with cocaine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC was diagnosed with ADHD in college and received accommodation. Not surprising, since it runs in the family. Prior to diagnosis, National Merit Finalist and 1,580 SAT, obviously without accommodation. Full merit tuition ride at a T-20. All A in HS and still all A in college. I understand OP's skepticism, but perhaps should keep an open mind since every kid is different.

DC got that far without it: why is the accommodation necessary now?

Some of my favorite alternate version of this include:
Your child had cancer but hadn’t died before the cancer was diagnosed, why treat it now?

Or

Your kid failed the driving vision test? They’ve never needed glasses before, why get them now? They could just ride the bus everywhere instead.

That is a really dumb analogy. ADHD is not like cancer or low vision. If it exists, you cannot get through a demanding high school with all As, top scores, and admission to an elite university.

This is not true. Plenty of now adults, including my husband (TJ and HYP grad) did this without realizing they had ADHD because it was not well understood when they were kids.

+1 A highly intelligent person not diagnosed until adulthood can tell PP that you will never fully appreciate the relief the diagnosis brings, especially if medication helps. The level of extra mental work, work arounds, self reminders, lack of sleep to keep up with your own brain, stuggle to turn off your brain, extra energy used to keep focused or break hyperfocus, fighting the anxiety of not remembering people's names and being late, etc. that ADHD causes even in (maybe expecially in) extremly intelligent people is exhausting and can cause huge levels of anxiety. They are always working twice as hard as everyone else because of the effort to keep ADHD in check.

PP, the error you are making here is in thinking accommodations are causing the achievement -- no, the kid's intelligence is what it is.

A person with ADHD is trying to do what everyone else is doing with the intelligence they have, but also has a disability unrleated to their intelligence. While they are sitting in class or the board room or a court room with everyone else, they are simultaneously using a part of the brain and mental energy to:
- lift a heavy curtain that keeps unexpectedly dropping in front of their eyes,
- to try to adjust the volume in invisible earphones operated by invisible gremlins who really don't care,
- to constantly look at and focus on external clocks because the internal one sometimes runs fast and sometimes runs slow but never is the same as the external one,
- shoo away crowds of gnats flying around their brains shouting interesting but irrelevant factiods at them,
- tell the professor at the core of their brain that, while fascinating, now really isn't the time to solve the major world problem they work at endlesslly, while hoping and praying it isn't true that if they don't do it right now, it will be lost forever;
- and resist the impossible urge to daydrem about whatever floats into their conscience at any given moment unbeckoned.

It is a constant noise, like tinitius of the brain. People are able to stem this tide at varying degrees at at varying costs to their energy and metal well being. Some of us manage to achieve in spite of this, but at a price - an unnecessary price, we now know.

Accommodations and medication is about that huge added burden on the brain and avoiding that extra price on the head; it's about making up for or stopping all the stuff happening in the brain that other people either don't have at all or can turn off and on at will.

Medication can calm a lot of it and give you extra control. It can ease the anxiety it all causes too. This is what people diagnosed as adults discover.

Extra time for kids who are still trying to develop the copes and work arounds allows them to finish a test even though they involuntarily spent 20 or 30 minutes of the allotted time lifting the curtian, swatting the gnats or puzzling about Schroedinger's cat when they were supposed to be reading a poassage of poetry on the SAT test. It alleviates the anxiety of knowing they are about to be put on an external clock, when they have yet to devolp the skills to work around their broken internal clock. The net result is simply the ability to show what they know without the added suffering and unneeded extra mental strain caused by a disability.

That sounds unpleasant but if you have never had objective issues succeeding and got admitted to an elite university, it was not severe enough to be ADHD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was diagnosed with ADHD in college and received accommodation. Not surprising, since it runs in the family. Prior to diagnosis, National Merit Finalist and 1,580 SAT, obviously without accommodation. Full merit tuition ride at a T-20. All A in HS and still all A in college. I understand OP's skepticism, but perhaps should keep an open mind since every kid is different.

DC got that far without it: why is the accommodation necessary now?

Some of my favorite alternate version of this include:
Your child had cancer but hadn’t died before the cancer was diagnosed, why treat it now?

Or

Your kid failed the driving vision test? They’ve never needed glasses before, why get them now? They could just ride the bus everywhere instead.

That is a really dumb analogy. ADHD is not like cancer or low vision. If it exists, you cannot get through a demanding high school with all As, top scores, and admission to an elite university.

This is not true. Plenty of now adults, including my husband (TJ and HYP grad) did this without realizing they had ADHD because it was not well understood when they were kids.

+1 A highly intelligent person not diagnosed until adulthood can tell PP that you will never fully appreciate the relief the diagnosis brings, especially if medication helps. The level of extra mental work, work arounds, self reminders, lack of sleep to keep up with your own brain, stuggle to turn off your brain, extra energy used to keep focused or break hyperfocus, fighting the anxiety of not remembering people's names and being late, etc. that ADHD causes even in (maybe expecially in) extremly intelligent people is exhausting and can cause huge levels of anxiety. They are always working twice as hard as everyone else because of the effort to keep ADHD in check.

PP, the error you are making here is in thinking accommodations are causing the achievement -- no, the kid's intelligence is what it is.

A person with ADHD is trying to do what everyone else is doing with the intelligence they have, but also has a disability unrleated to their intelligence. While they are sitting in class or the board room or a court room with everyone else, they are simultaneously using a part of the brain and mental energy to:
- lift a heavy curtain that keeps unexpectedly dropping in front of their eyes,
- to try to adjust the volume in invisible earphones operated by invisible gremlins who really don't care,
- to constantly look at and focus on external clocks because the internal one sometimes runs fast and sometimes runs slow but never is the same as the external one,
- shoo away crowds of gnats flying around their brains shouting interesting but irrelevant factiods at them,
- tell the professor at the core of their brain that, while fascinating, now really isn't the time to solve the major world problem they work at endlesslly, while hoping and praying it isn't true that if they don't do it right now, it will be lost forever;
- and resist the impossible urge to daydrem about whatever floats into their conscience at any given moment unbeckoned.

It is a constant noise, like tinitius of the brain. People are able to stem this tide at varying degrees at at varying costs to their energy and metal well being. Some of us manage to achieve in spite of this, but at a price - an unnecessary price, we now know.

Accommodations and medication is about that huge added burden on the brain and avoiding that extra price on the head; it's about making up for or stopping all the stuff happening in the brain that other people either don't have at all or can turn off and on at will.

Medication can calm a lot of it and give you extra control. It can ease the anxiety it all causes too. This is what people diagnosed as adults discover.

Extra time for kids who are still trying to develop the copes and work arounds allows them to finish a test even though they involuntarily spent 20 or 30 minutes of the allotted time lifting the curtian, swatting the gnats or puzzling about Schroedinger's cat when they were supposed to be reading a poassage of poetry on the SAT test. It alleviates the anxiety of knowing they are about to be put on an external clock, when they have yet to devolp the skills to work around their broken internal clock. The net result is simply the ability to show what they know without the added suffering and unneeded extra mental strain caused by a disability.

Of course it helps. By that logic, everybody has ADHD. Everybody should be using amphetamines to get the best version of themself.

[Anonymous]

Once you start taking it, then stop taking it, of course you feel sluggish and you feel like you need it. Of course you have some disorder and need drugs.

It's just drug companies figuring out a way to make money selling formerly illegal drugs.

[Anonymous]

Oh you can't concentrate or focus? Here you go, take some amphetamines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was diagnosed with ADHD in college and received accommodation. Not surprising, since it runs in the family. Prior to diagnosis, National Merit Finalist and 1,580 SAT, obviously without accommodation. Full merit tuition ride at a T-20. All A in HS and still all A in college. I understand OP's skepticism, but perhaps should keep an open mind since every kid is different.

Sorry, but this isn’t ADHD. You didn’t provide any behavior or outcome basis to suggest a problem, so maybe it’s anxiety. A kid who feels he must be perfect and fears that the slightest imperfection might wreck the whole card deck is going to be anxious.

What does this look like even? Genuine question. My college sophomore came home saying he thinks he might have adhd or be on the spectrum and is interested in being tested - not even for accommodations or medication but jist for awareness. I’m totally skeptical because DS has been an excellent student all throughout, with parental encouragement but little parental involvement. I’m like if you have adhd what does that condition even mean? I think it’s just anxiety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC was diagnosed with ADHD in college and received accommodation. Not surprising, since it runs in the family. Prior to diagnosis, National Merit Finalist and 1,580 SAT, obviously without accommodation. Full merit tuition ride at a T-20. All A in HS and still all A in college. I understand OP's skepticism, but perhaps should keep an open mind since every kid is different.

DC got that far without it: why is the accommodation necessary now?

Some of my favorite alternate version of this include:
Your child had cancer but hadn’t died before the cancer was diagnosed, why treat it now?

Or

Your kid failed the driving vision test? They’ve never needed glasses before, why get them now? They could just ride the bus everywhere instead.

That is a really dumb analogy. ADHD is not like cancer or low vision. If it exists, you cannot get through a demanding high school with all As, top scores, and admission to an elite university.

This is not true. Plenty of now adults, including my husband (TJ and HYP grad) did this without realizing they had ADHD because it was not well understood when they were kids.

It's a common misconception though. I have the exact same academic background and am considered relatively sucessful in my field, but had a (bad) psychiatrist question the diagnosis because of exactly. (This 20 years ago, so slightly less terrible than it would be now).

DP: It's also why, even today, kids aren't diagnosed until high school, especially if 2e. Parents are told, he's getting As, so obviously there's no problem. If the grades aren't failing and the behavior isn't catastrophic and disruptive, good luck getting a diagnosis or any help overcoming the disability, unless you go private and pay for everything out of pocket.

The social change after a kid gets help can be unbelievable, like a kid finally getting eye glasses and hearing aids after years of missing most of what was going on around him. A quiet kid in the class who did "fine" becomes a student who contributes frequenty and is active in many clubs. Happy, not worried, not lost, not lonely. Not working twice as hard overcoming the mental burden of ADHD to do things that are actually intellectually easy for them.

And that's not even starting on the social implications and stress of undiagnosed ADHD. As a society we have done a horrible job recocnizing ADHD in smart kids until recently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh you can't concentrate or focus? Here you go, take some amphetamines.

You guys are idiots. You have no idea what it is, so you mock it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, and . . .

Stop the testing accommodations for kids newly diagnosed with ADHD in high school (if they really have ADHD, how did they previously qualify for those advanced classes and get top grades?) and encourage kids to acknowledge anxiety in novel situations and help them learn appropriate life skills to meet those new challenges.

None of that is helpful to a person who actually has ADHD. Why would you do that?

[Anonymous]

It’s out of control. Of course anyone will feel better and be more productive with a stimulant. But if you can reasonably function and be successful without meds and accommodations- then sorry, it’s a bogus diagnosis. I know SO MANY adults that now claim “they never realized they have adhd” and schools are overflowing with kids with it. It isn’t just a private school thing- it’s booming at every single school. That and everyone taking meds for depression and anxiety. Now weight loss. It’s as if people have zero tolerance or coping mechanisms for anything other than perfection and easy times now

[Anonymous]

My kid, a TJ graduate who attends an elite college without any test prep or college counseling, was diagnosed with ADHD in college. Their high IQ masked their executive function deficits all along. They never need extra time for any tests, in fact, they think so fast that they always finish tests earlier than others. They struggled with big projects or paper that need planning and execution over several weeks or months. ADHD meds helped tremendously. It’s such a relief to get diagnosed now that they understand why they are different from other students.

[Anonymous]

I can never understand the point of drug addicting for any purpose. There are tons of high IQ people can function normally if not better.