Please suggest lower reach and target schools

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Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier my Brown had Yale as their other top choice. Brown isn’t nearly as chill as the Internet is led to believe. Maybe it used to be, not sure.

That may very well be true. But the grade inflation is real, which is why it’s a popular choice for kids who want to do pre-med.

My premed would disagree, but I won’t take this post on a tangent for OP’s sake.

Individual perceptions can & do vary; your pre-med student is experiencing the pressure of being a pre-med student even though Brown is widely recognized as a school with grade inflation & a low pressure environment when considering the caliber of student accepted.

The myth about grade inflation at Brown ...
It only appear to have grade inflation, but the reality is to get that A- or A, even these super high caliber Brown kids have to work their butts off, staying in library pass midnight and two days in the weekends. In other schools it may appear there is grade deflation, but it's eithe rbecause they don't work as hard or just mediocre kids to start with.

You are wrong.

Just read the articles in the Brown University newspaper referenced above by another poster.

Grade inflation exists at Brown University.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier my Brown had Yale as their other top choice. Brown isn’t nearly as chill as the Internet is led to believe. Maybe it used to be, not sure.

That may very well be true. But the grade inflation is real, which is why it’s a popular choice for kids who want to do pre-med.

My premed would disagree, but I won’t take this post on a tangent for OP’s sake.

Individual perceptions can & do vary; your pre-med student is experiencing the pressure of being a pre-med student even though Brown is widely recognized as a school with grade inflation & a low pressure environment when considering the caliber of student accepted.

The myth about grade inflation at Brown ...
It only appear to have grade inflation, but the reality is to get that A- or A, even these super high caliber Brown kids have to work their butts off, staying in library pass midnight and two days in the weekends. In other schools it may appear there is grade deflation, but it's eithe rbecause they don't work as hard or just mediocre kids to start with.

You are wrong.

Just read the articles in the Brown University newspaper referenced above by another poster.

Grade inflation exists at Brown University.

Grade inflation exists in every school.

The point is grades vary by schools not because grading policy difference, but due large part to student quality. Brown is known to attact the best of the best, it's not surprising that these students perform well. Plus they work really really hard, the As they got are well deserved compared to students in so called "grade deflation" schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier my Brown had Yale as their other top choice. Brown isn’t nearly as chill as the Internet is led to believe. Maybe it used to be, not sure.

That may very well be true. But the grade inflation is real, which is why it’s a popular choice for kids who want to do pre-med.

My premed would disagree, but I won’t take this post on a tangent for OP’s sake.

Individual perceptions can & do vary; your pre-med student is experiencing the pressure of being a pre-med student even though Brown is widely recognized as a school with grade inflation & a low pressure environment when considering the caliber of student accepted.

The myth about grade inflation at Brown ...
It only appear to have grade inflation, but the reality is to get that A- or A, even these super high caliber Brown kids have to work their butts off, staying in library pass midnight and two days in the weekends. In other schools it may appear there is grade deflation, but it's eithe rbecause they don't work as hard or just mediocre kids to start with.

You are wrong.

Just read the articles in the Brown University newspaper referenced above by another poster.

Grade inflation exists at Brown University.

Grade inflation exists in every school.

The point is grades vary by schools not because grading policy difference, but due large part to student quality. Brown is known to attact the best of the best, it's not surprising that these students perform well. Plus they work really really hard, the As they got are well deserved compared to students in so called "grade deflation" schools.

Princeton, UChicago and Cornell have much less grade inflation. Among the top schools, Brown is known to be easy when it comes to getting good grades. No judgement there: maybe that’s good for mental health reasons. But let’s call it what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier my Brown had Yale as their other top choice. Brown isn’t nearly as chill as the Internet is led to believe. Maybe it used to be, not sure.

That may very well be true. But the grade inflation is real, which is why it’s a popular choice for kids who want to do pre-med.

My premed would disagree, but I won’t take this post on a tangent for OP’s sake.

Individual perceptions can & do vary; your pre-med student is experiencing the pressure of being a pre-med student even though Brown is widely recognized as a school with grade inflation & a low pressure environment when considering the caliber of student accepted.

The myth about grade inflation at Brown ...
It only appear to have grade inflation, but the reality is to get that A- or A, even these super high caliber Brown kids have to work their butts off, staying in library pass midnight and two days in the weekends. In other schools it may appear there is grade deflation, but it's eithe rbecause they don't work as hard or just mediocre kids to start with.

Are you kidding me? Do you really want to call Brown students superior to those in Princeton, Cornell and UChicago? Do you really think the latter “don’t work as hard or [are] just mediocre kids to start with”?!!

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Why don’t we go back to OP’s original question/issue. They can worry about grade inflation/deflation once acceptances are in hand. Here are my suggestions- Rice, William and Mary, Emory, Wash U, Chicago, Tufts, Tulane.

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A few people have mentioned Rochester and I’ll mention it as well. Not a safety as a PP mentioned, but definitely a target (40% acceptance rate).

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t we go back to OP’s original question/issue. They can worry about grade inflation/deflation once acceptances are in hand. Here are my suggestions- Rice, William and Mary, Emory, Wash U, Chicago, Tufts, Tulane.

Rice may rank low, by no means it’s a low reach. The acceptance rate is ivy level. ED does not provide much advantage. It’s a high reach. Agree with other schools on the list.

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Anonymous wrote: Op- Thanks for the detailed and very helpful insight! Did your DC apply to Brown ED? Stats similar to my DD’s or higher?

Yes, he did apply ED. White male, unhooked, majoring in engineering. We realize he got very lucky, but he was also in the top 5% of a very competitive private school in a heavily underrepresented state (Appalachian area where few kids apply out of state). He had a 4.0 UW, 35 ACT and great ECs. I think you have some great suggestions here, I particularly like the poster who suggested Tufts, Wesleyan, Vassar, Oberlin, Rochester. I’ve visited all and agree these have a similar vibe/feel.

DD looked at Wes, Vassar, Oberlin and Brandeis. Attends one of those. We looked at Case Western and hated it. It was so different than the other schools. Their info session focused on outcomes after college - no talk about the love of learning or liberal arts. Absolutely joyless. Seemed like a grinder school. We walked out early, so maybe the tour was better.

At 99k per year and you are not interested in looking at outcomes? You are either too out of touch or too ignorant.

It’s sad that you are struggling to understand my point. Intellectual people want to be surrounded by peers that are similarly motivated by a love of learning—not a bunch of strivers who are just trying to check a box and become an adult striver like you.

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Anonymous wrote: Op- Thanks for the detailed and very helpful insight! Did your DC apply to Brown ED? Stats similar to my DD’s or higher?

Yes, he did apply ED. White male, unhooked, majoring in engineering. We realize he got very lucky, but he was also in the top 5% of a very competitive private school in a heavily underrepresented state (Appalachian area where few kids apply out of state). He had a 4.0 UW, 35 ACT and great ECs. I think you have some great suggestions here, I particularly like the poster who suggested Tufts, Wesleyan, Vassar, Oberlin, Rochester. I’ve visited all and agree these have a similar vibe/feel.

DD looked at Wes, Vassar, Oberlin and Brandeis. Attends one of those. We looked at Case Western and hated it. It was so different than the other schools. Their info session focused on outcomes after college - no talk about the love of learning or liberal arts. Absolutely joyless. Seemed like a grinder school. We walked out early, so maybe the tour was better.

At 99k per year and you are not interested in looking at outcomes? You are either too out of touch or too ignorant.

It’s sad that you are struggling to understand my point. Intellectual people want to be surrounded by peers that are similarly motivated by a [b]love of learning—not a bunch of strivers who are just trying to check a box and become an adult striver like you[/b].

Not the poster you are responding to....but lol if "striver" is what you refer to students going to college to get good jobs and have nice careers.

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Anonymous wrote: Op- Thanks for the detailed and very helpful insight! Did your DC apply to Brown ED? Stats similar to my DD’s or higher?

Yes, he did apply ED. White male, unhooked, majoring in engineering. We realize he got very lucky, but he was also in the top 5% of a very competitive private school in a heavily underrepresented state (Appalachian area where few kids apply out of state). He had a 4.0 UW, 35 ACT and great ECs. I think you have some great suggestions here, I particularly like the poster who suggested Tufts, Wesleyan, Vassar, Oberlin, Rochester. I’ve visited all and agree these have a similar vibe/feel.

DD looked at Wes, Vassar, Oberlin and Brandeis. Attends one of those. We looked at Case Western and hated it. It was so different than the other schools. Their info session focused on outcomes after college - no talk about the love of learning or liberal arts. Absolutely joyless. Seemed like a grinder school. We walked out early, so maybe the tour was better.

At 99k per year and you are not interested in looking at outcomes? You are either too out of touch or too ignorant.

It’s sad that you are struggling to understand my point. Intellectual people want to be surrounded by peers that are similarly motivated by a [b]love of learning—not a bunch of strivers who are just trying to check a box and become an adult striver like you[/b].

Not the poster you are responding to....but lol if "striver" is what you refer to students going to college to get good jobs and have nice careers.



Agree. One person uses that phrase on this board - you can tell they are lower socioeconomic class and likely racist since that term is used to denigrate Asian students.

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Anonymous wrote: Op- Thanks for the detailed and very helpful insight! Did your DC apply to Brown ED? Stats similar to my DD’s or higher?

Yes, he did apply ED. White male, unhooked, majoring in engineering. We realize he got very lucky, but he was also in the top 5% of a very competitive private school in a heavily underrepresented state (Appalachian area where few kids apply out of state). He had a 4.0 UW, 35 ACT and great ECs. I think you have some great suggestions here, I particularly like the poster who suggested Tufts, Wesleyan, Vassar, Oberlin, Rochester. I’ve visited all and agree these have a similar vibe/feel.

DD looked at Wes, Vassar, Oberlin and Brandeis. Attends one of those. We looked at Case Western and hated it. It was so different than the other schools. Their info session focused on outcomes after college - no talk about the love of learning or liberal arts. Absolutely joyless. Seemed like a grinder school. We walked out early, so maybe the tour was better.

At 99k per year and you are not interested in looking at outcomes? You are either too out of touch or too ignorant.

It’s sad that you are struggling to understand my point. Intellectual people want to be surrounded by peers that are similarly motivated by a [b]love of learning—not a bunch of strivers who are just trying to check a box and become an adult striver like you[/b].

Not the poster you are responding to....but lol if "striver" is what you refer to students going to college to get good jobs and have nice careers.



Agree. One person uses that phrase on this board - you can tell they are lower socioeconomic class and likely racist since that term is used to denigrate Asian students.

It is people in the higher socioeconomic class that is the word “striver” not lower socioeconomic class. The lower socioeconomic class ARE the strivers. The high socioeconomic class don’t need to strive or worry about ROI. They often go to school and major in Art History, Classics or Philosophy. They don’t need social mobility out of their degree—they are already rich, connected, and have generations of college degrees in their family.

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Anonymous wrote: Op- Thanks for the detailed and very helpful insight! Did your DC apply to Brown ED? Stats similar to my DD’s or higher?

Yes, he did apply ED. White male, unhooked, majoring in engineering. We realize he got very lucky, but he was also in the top 5% of a very competitive private school in a heavily underrepresented state (Appalachian area where few kids apply out of state). He had a 4.0 UW, 35 ACT and great ECs. I think you have some great suggestions here, I particularly like the poster who suggested Tufts, Wesleyan, Vassar, Oberlin, Rochester. I’ve visited all and agree these have a similar vibe/feel.

DD looked at Wes, Vassar, Oberlin and Brandeis. Attends one of those. We looked at Case Western and hated it. It was so different than the other schools. Their info session focused on outcomes after college - no talk about the love of learning or liberal arts. Absolutely joyless. Seemed like a grinder school. We walked out early, so maybe the tour was better.

At 99k per year and you are not interested in looking at outcomes? You are either too out of touch or too ignorant.

It’s sad that you are struggling to understand my point. Intellectual people want to be surrounded by peers that are similarly motivated by a love of learning—not a bunch of strivers who are just trying to check a box and become an adult striver like you.

lol. You are not intellectual. Arrogant is what you are.

Love of learning and great outcome are not mutually exclusive. A prime example would be Chicago, FULL of intellectual kids yet they ALL have great outcomes. But I don’t think your DD can get in.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier my Brown had Yale as their other top choice. Brown isn’t nearly as chill as the Internet is led to believe. Maybe it used to be, not sure.

That may very well be true. But the grade inflation is real, which is why it’s a popular choice for kids who want to do pre-med.

My premed would disagree, but I won’t take this post on a tangent for OP’s sake.

Individual perceptions can & do vary; your pre-med student is experiencing the pressure of being a pre-med student even though Brown is widely recognized as a school with grade inflation & a low pressure environment when considering the caliber of student accepted.

The myth about grade inflation at Brown ...
It only appear to have grade inflation, but the reality is to get that A- or A, even these super high caliber Brown kids have to work their butts off, staying in library pass midnight and two days in the weekends. In other schools it may appear there is grade deflation, but it's eithe rbecause they don't work as hard or just mediocre kids to start with.

Are you kidding me? Do you really want to call Brown students superior to those in Princeton, Cornell and UChicago? Do you really think the latter “don’t work as hard or [are] just mediocre kids to start with”?!!

Chicago for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:High reaches are Yale and Brown; more realistic reach is Rice. DD’s school has near 100% acceptance rate to Rice in past 5-7 years in ED round with stats similar to DD’s but DD may not choose to ED there. Don’t know if those accepts include legacy (which we’re not); we know they were not athletes or Questbridge. If DD decide to ED Brown or SCEA Yale, will need target schools ready for RD round. This is for next year.

Safeties are EA early at Pitt and McGill, both also have 100% acceptance rate for DD’s stats and rank from her school.

Looking for suggestions for more attainable reaches and target colleges similar to Yale, Brown and Rice. DD most interested in interdisciplinary studies (science and language), want a research university with collaborative, learning for learning’s sake culture, not pre-professional. Full pay from well respected private HS known to elite colleges but otherwise an unhooked applicant, top 10% of class. Every year top 35% of class get into Ivy+ WASP but we don’t know how many are legacy (not many are athletes).

Thanks!

This is an interesting mix. I get liking both Yale and Brown, but Rice too? Is it because of the residential colleges? Still, I knew no one at Yale who also really liked Rice. I recall Wesleyan being the safety school default for Yale. Also Penn, but it was far easier to get into back in that day.

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Anonymous wrote:High reaches are Yale and Brown; more realistic reach is Rice. DD’s school has near 100% acceptance rate to Rice in past 5-7 years in ED round with stats similar to DD’s but DD may not choose to ED there. Don’t know if those accepts include legacy (which we’re not); we know they were not athletes or Questbridge. If DD decide to ED Brown or SCEA Yale, will need target schools ready for RD round. This is for next year.

Safeties are EA early at Pitt and McGill, both also have 100% acceptance rate for DD’s stats and rank from her school.

Looking for suggestions for more attainable reaches and target colleges similar to Yale, Brown and Rice. DD most interested in interdisciplinary studies (science and language), want a research university with collaborative, learning for learning’s sake culture, not pre-professional. Full pay from well respected private HS known to elite colleges but otherwise an unhooked applicant, top 10% of class. Every year top 35% of class get into Ivy+ WASP but we don’t know how many are legacy (not many are athletes).

Thanks!

This is an interesting mix. I get liking both Yale and Brown, but Rice too? Is it because of the residential colleges? Still, I knew no one at Yale who also really liked Rice. I recall Wesleyan being the safety school default for Yale. Also Penn, but it was far easier to get into back in that day.

School changes. Brown is not what it used to be. With the premed group there, it’s more like Rice tbh. People cries about Brown’s so called grade inflation. But it’s no easy A. You need to study very hard.