Is Park Potomac Supposed to Be Nice?

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Anonymous wrote:They are all strip malls. The Falls Road/River Road one is just weird and that Safeway is nasty. Cabin John is also meh - the Giant is okay, but anyplace with a McDonald's can't be that upscale. Park Potomac at least has the best grocery store, but feels like an office park. And Quincy's is a sports bar, which isn't upscale by any definition.

Who the f-cares. It's just average people with above average incomes.

That is not Cabin JOhn. That is Cabin John Shopping Center. CJ the town with its own zip is by the river.

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Here’s a tip from a ball knower: it’s 30 min door to door with metro from Bethesda to City Center, maybe less depending where you are in the area. Definitely shorter and less stressful than driving to Baltimore. Not a fair comparison

I can get from near Four Corners / Blair to Ravens stadium and places like Locust Point and southern Federal Hill in 30-35 minutes no problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I find everywhere in that area excessively crowded during the day - and small chaotic parking lots - and then desolate at night. I just don’t get the appeal and prefer VA.

I really don’t understand the rugged terrain of the roads.

Driving up Seven Locks at night is basically pitch black and the trees hover over and basically touch each other so you can’t see the sky! The houses seem all dark even if it’s early? Idk

Sure, the 16-lane roads in Tysons/McLean, where every traffic light takes five minutes to change, are so appealing and not at all chaotic :)

Speaking of Tysons, go to Patsy’s back bar to watch a nighttime football game and then go to Quincy’s and report back with your findings.

Maybe go to the Boro to go grocery shopping and get a meal at North Italia or go the Capital One Center and go grocery shopping and get a beer at Starr Hill or a meal at Wren. Then go to Park Potomac to compare and contrast. The differences are incredibly stark, let’s just say. And Park Potomac is supposed to be a nice town center with $900,000 condos and $1M+ townhomes.

This is such a weird comparison. Tyson’s is massive. There’s no equivalent on the Maryland side. Park Potomac is tiny compared to Tyson’s. Montgomery mall is more of a normal but still functioning nice mall (I never go to Tyson’s for mall things when Montgomery mall since good enough) , but doesn’t have the surrounding restaurants and commercial space that Tyson’s has. Bethesda row is probably the closest to North Italia’s scene. Like and rose also has some nice places like Caruso but it’s more normal, and ofc, pike and rose is much smaller than Tyson’s.

Maybe you’re just more familiar with stuff in the Virginia side. Us on the Maryland side have no shortage of places to go. Personally, for a lot of my more upscale outings I go to DC proper, it’s a 20 min drive from MoCo on River rd or Clara Barton. I don’t “go out” while staying in the suburbs

You literally have a humongous vacant lot at White Flint Mall that is currently used to train motorcycle riders across from a Whole Foods. It’s connected with a ridiculously oversized parking lot and strip mall with an Aldi. If both the White Flint Mall site and the Aldi strip mall site were developed that is a huge swath of land that can be used for development but neither Amazon or anyone else wants to deal with MoCo’s policies and invest in that area.

Likewise, there are multiple acres above the “North Bethesda” Metro that have sat vacant for decades and only recently were proposed for development in who knows what year. These places would have been developed 20 years ago in Arlington.

That site is vacant because of the Lerners. It has nothing to do with the desirability of the area. The Lerners spent so many years fighting a scorced-earth battle against Lord & Taylor related to the mall that used to be there (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/15-1995/15-1995-2017-02-28.html, https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/10/white-flint-costs/), and then sat and did nothing. That site would have been developed many years ago in any other developer's hands.

The Lerners have nothing to do with that 13.9 acre (!!!) site above North Bethesda Metro sitting vacant for decades until Wes Moore and frumpy Marc Elrich got some development there recently, which probably won’t pan out until 2035 the way development is handled in this county.

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/governor-moore-and-metro-announce-developer-selection-for-north-bethesda-transitaccessible-hub-for-housing-and-economic-dev.aspx

That a 13.9 acre site has been literally sitting as bushes and weeds above a Metro Station that is 3 stops from Bethesda for this long is nuts. It says a lot about the desirability of the area.

The Lerners have nothing to with the lack of progress on the redevelopment of Montgomery Mall, which has been in planning for almost a decade now and nothing has happened.

The Lerners have nothing to do with the lack of investment in redeveloping a place like Wheaton Mall, which sits atop a Metro and would have been redone ages ago if it were in DC, Arlington or Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people from the Northeast or from abroad (eg asian, Indian diaspora) so obsessed with things being “prestigious”?

Park Potomac is a perfectly nice, affluent shopping area. The deli spots are packed with retirees every day during lunch time. The Quincy’s bar is where divorcees go flirt. The residences around it are definitely pricey, given they’re mostly condos and townhomes

The only knock against it is that it’s next to the highway. But you dont really “hang out” there, you go to a shop and leave

Somebody should tell you in case nobody in your social circle does not: you are being weird!

Let me reframe. Why is Park Potomac so low class? I thought Potomac was supposed to be nice but the socio economic demographic makeup of Quincy’s for MNF is something I’d expect in Germantown. I’ve seen more upscale crowds in sports bars in Columbia Heights.

Being a weird upwardly mobile striver is low-class behavior. People can smell your desperation.

Is striver a slur for not being a depressed boomer retiree who was handed everything on a silver spoon and doesn’t care about what happens in their county because they’re depressed and in decline like the county they live in? I need some clarity about this striver term that keeps getting thrown around…

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/neighborhood/cameron-pratt-on-why-montgomery-county-has-fallen-behind-northern-virginia-99668

Please see link how Montgomery county has fallen behind northern Va

Why do you keep bringing this up here? There’s a separate thread about NoVa. So bizarre.

The link is to a speech by the developer of Park Potomac where he literally talks about how MoCo has fallen drastically behind NoVA in terms of economic growth and vitality. It seems pretty pertinent to this thread, dear.

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Anonymous wrote:I find everywhere in that area excessively crowded during the day - and small chaotic parking lots - and then desolate at night. I just don’t get the appeal and prefer VA.

I really don’t understand the rugged terrain of the roads.

Driving up Seven Locks at night is basically pitch black and the trees hover over and basically touch each other so you can’t see the sky! The houses seem all dark even if it’s early? Idk

Sure, the 16-lane roads in Tysons/McLean, where every traffic light takes five minutes to change, are so appealing and not at all chaotic :)

Speaking of Tysons, go to Patsy’s back bar to watch a nighttime football game and then go to Quincy’s and report back with your findings.

Maybe go to the Boro to go grocery shopping and get a meal at North Italia or go the Capital One Center and go grocery shopping and get a beer at Starr Hill or a meal at Wren. Then go to Park Potomac to compare and contrast. The differences are incredibly stark, let’s just say. And Park Potomac is supposed to be a nice town center with $900,000 condos and $1M+ townhomes.

This is such a weird comparison. Tyson’s is massive. There’s no equivalent on the Maryland side. Park Potomac is tiny compared to Tyson’s. Montgomery mall is more of a normal but still functioning nice mall (I never go to Tyson’s for mall things when Montgomery mall since good enough) , but doesn’t have the surrounding restaurants and commercial space that Tyson’s has. Bethesda row is probably the closest to North Italia’s scene. Like and rose also has some nice places like Caruso but it’s more normal, and ofc, pike and rose is much smaller than Tyson’s.

Maybe you’re just more familiar with stuff in the Virginia side. Us on the Maryland side have no shortage of places to go. Personally, for a lot of my more upscale outings I go to DC proper, it’s a 20 min drive from MoCo on River rd or Clara Barton. I don’t “go out” while staying in the suburbs

You literally have a humongous vacant lot at White Flint Mall that is currently used to train motorcycle riders across from a Whole Foods. It’s connected with a ridiculously oversized parking lot and strip mall with an Aldi. If both the White Flint Mall site and the Aldi strip mall site were developed that is a huge swath of land that can be used for development but neither Amazon or anyone else wants to deal with MoCo’s policies and invest in that area.

Likewise, there are multiple acres above the “North Bethesda” Metro that have sat vacant for decades and only recently were proposed for development in who knows what year. These places would have been developed 20 years ago in Arlington.

That site is vacant because of the Lerners. It has nothing to do with the desirability of the area. The Lerners spent so many years fighting a scorced-earth battle against Lord & Taylor related to the mall that used to be there (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/15-1995/15-1995-2017-02-28.html, https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/10/white-flint-costs/), and then sat and did nothing. That site would have been developed many years ago in any other developer's hands.

The Lerners have nothing to do with that 13.9 acre (!!!) site above North Bethesda Metro sitting vacant for decades until Wes Moore and frumpy Marc Elrich got some development there recently, which probably won’t pan out until 2035 the way development is handled in this county.

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/governor-moore-and-metro-announce-developer-selection-for-north-bethesda-transitaccessible-hub-for-housing-and-economic-dev.aspx

That a 13.9 acre site has been literally sitting as bushes and weeds above a Metro Station that is 3 stops from Bethesda for this long is nuts. It says a lot about the desirability of the area.

The Lerners have nothing to with the lack of progress on the redevelopment of Montgomery Mall, which has been in planning for almost a decade now and nothing has happened.

The Lerners have nothing to do with the lack of investment in redeveloping a place like Wheaton Mall, which sits atop a Metro and would have been redone ages ago if it were in DC, Arlington or Fairfax.

What are you blabbing on about? The West Falls Church metro area was just redeveloped recently, so please stop acting as though every metro station in Nova is perfectly and optimally developed. There's basically nothing at East Falls Church, and that too could be redeveloped but zilch so far. There's also nothing at Dunn Loring, except for "plans." So many underutilized metro stations right in your backyard but somehow you care more about Wheaton?

And in any event, you're wrong about Wheaton. The area next to the Wheaton Metro has a new office building and about six new apartment buildings that were built within the past decade, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Lerners are sitting on 44 acres at white flint, so your post is just disingenuous.

Sometimes Nova people really should look in the mirror at all the problems in their own backyard before throwing shade at Moco.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/neighborhood/cameron-pratt-on-why-montgomery-county-has-fallen-behind-northern-virginia-99668

Please see link how Montgomery county has fallen behind northern Va

Why do you keep bringing this up here? There’s a separate thread about NoVa. So bizarre.

The link is to a speech by the developer of Park Potomac where he literally talks about how MoCo has fallen drastically behind NoVA in terms of economic growth and vitality. It seems pretty pertinent to this thread, dear.

It now seems abundantly clear that a nova person started this thread as a way to start another debate about nova vs moco. The inferiority complex in nova runs deep. Really makes you wonder why nova people can't be happy with what they have? Seems that they only find joy in acting superior to moco.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/neighborhood/cameron-pratt-on-why-montgomery-county-has-fallen-behind-northern-virginia-99668

Please see link how Montgomery county has fallen behind northern Va

Why do you keep bringing this up here? There’s a separate thread about NoVa. So bizarre.

The link is to a speech by the developer of Park Potomac where he literally talks about how MoCo has fallen drastically behind NoVA in terms of economic growth and vitality. It seems pretty pertinent to this thread, dear.

Eh, thanks to Trump, Vought, and Musk, NoVA is not doing too well these days either.

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Anonymous wrote:I find everywhere in that area excessively crowded during the day - and small chaotic parking lots - and then desolate at night. I just don’t get the appeal and prefer VA.

I really don’t understand the rugged terrain of the roads.

Driving up Seven Locks at night is basically pitch black and the trees hover over and basically touch each other so you can’t see the sky! The houses seem all dark even if it’s early? Idk

Sure, the 16-lane roads in Tysons/McLean, where every traffic light takes five minutes to change, are so appealing and not at all chaotic :)

Speaking of Tysons, go to Patsy’s back bar to watch a nighttime football game and then go to Quincy’s and report back with your findings.

Maybe go to the Boro to go grocery shopping and get a meal at North Italia or go the Capital One Center and go grocery shopping and get a beer at Starr Hill or a meal at Wren. Then go to Park Potomac to compare and contrast. The differences are incredibly stark, let’s just say. And Park Potomac is supposed to be a nice town center with $900,000 condos and $1M+ townhomes.

This is such a weird comparison. Tyson’s is massive. There’s no equivalent on the Maryland side. Park Potomac is tiny compared to Tyson’s. Montgomery mall is more of a normal but still functioning nice mall (I never go to Tyson’s for mall things when Montgomery mall since good enough) , but doesn’t have the surrounding restaurants and commercial space that Tyson’s has. Bethesda row is probably the closest to North Italia’s scene. Like and rose also has some nice places like Caruso but it’s more normal, and ofc, pike and rose is much smaller than Tyson’s.

Maybe you’re just more familiar with stuff in the Virginia side. Us on the Maryland side have no shortage of places to go. Personally, for a lot of my more upscale outings I go to DC proper, it’s a 20 min drive from MoCo on River rd or Clara Barton. I don’t “go out” while staying in the suburbs

You literally have a humongous vacant lot at White Flint Mall that is currently used to train motorcycle riders across from a Whole Foods. It’s connected with a ridiculously oversized parking lot and strip mall with an Aldi. If both the White Flint Mall site and the Aldi strip mall site were developed that is a huge swath of land that can be used for development but neither Amazon or anyone else wants to deal with MoCo’s policies and invest in that area.

Likewise, there are multiple acres above the “North Bethesda” Metro that have sat vacant for decades and only recently were proposed for development in who knows what year. These places would have been developed 20 years ago in Arlington.

That site is vacant because of the Lerners. It has nothing to do with the desirability of the area. The Lerners spent so many years fighting a scorced-earth battle against Lord & Taylor related to the mall that used to be there (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/15-1995/15-1995-2017-02-28.html, https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/10/white-flint-costs/), and then sat and did nothing. That site would have been developed many years ago in any other developer's hands.

The Lerners have nothing to do with that 13.9 acre (!!!) site above North Bethesda Metro sitting vacant for decades until Wes Moore and frumpy Marc Elrich got some development there recently, which probably won’t pan out until 2035 the way development is handled in this county.

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/governor-moore-and-metro-announce-developer-selection-for-north-bethesda-transitaccessible-hub-for-housing-and-economic-dev.aspx

That a 13.9 acre site has been literally sitting as bushes and weeds above a Metro Station that is 3 stops from Bethesda for this long is nuts. It says a lot about the desirability of the area.

The Lerners have nothing to with the lack of progress on the redevelopment of Montgomery Mall, which has been in planning for almost a decade now and nothing has happened.

The Lerners have nothing to do with the lack of investment in redeveloping a place like Wheaton Mall, which sits atop a Metro and would have been redone ages ago if it were in DC, Arlington or Fairfax.

What are you blabbing on about? The West Falls Church metro area was just redeveloped recently, so please stop acting as though every metro station in Nova is perfectly and optimally developed. There's basically nothing at East Falls Church, and that too could be redeveloped but zilch so far. There's also nothing at Dunn Loring, except for "plans." So many underutilized metro stations right in your backyard but somehow you care more about Wheaton?

And in any event, you're wrong about Wheaton. The area next to the Wheaton Metro has a new office building and about six new apartment buildings that were built within the past decade, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Lerners are sitting on 44 acres at white flint, so your post is just disingenuous.

Sometimes Nova people really should look in the mirror at all the problems in their own backyard before throwing shade at Moco.

Dunn Loring has boatloads of development right on top of it - a Harris Teeter, restaurants and stores - and Mosaic a few blocks away. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/neighborhood/cameron-pratt-on-why-montgomery-county-has-fallen-behind-northern-virginia-99668

Please see link how Montgomery county has fallen behind northern Va

Why do you keep bringing this up here? There’s a separate thread about NoVa. So bizarre.

The link is to a speech by the developer of Park Potomac where he literally talks about how MoCo has fallen drastically behind NoVA in terms of economic growth and vitality. It seems pretty pertinent to this thread, dear.

Eh, thanks to Trump, Vought, and Musk, NoVA is not doing too well these days either.

Still better than MoCo because of high paying private sector jobs though. And Trump is way more apt to cut spending linked to the NIH than the Pentagon.

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Anonymous wrote:I find everywhere in that area excessively crowded during the day - and small chaotic parking lots - and then desolate at night. I just don’t get the appeal and prefer VA.

I really don’t understand the rugged terrain of the roads.

Driving up Seven Locks at night is basically pitch black and the trees hover over and basically touch each other so you can’t see the sky! The houses seem all dark even if it’s early? Idk

Sure, the 16-lane roads in Tysons/McLean, where every traffic light takes five minutes to change, are so appealing and not at all chaotic :)

Speaking of Tysons, go to Patsy’s back bar to watch a nighttime football game and then go to Quincy’s and report back with your findings.

Maybe go to the Boro to go grocery shopping and get a meal at North Italia or go the Capital One Center and go grocery shopping and get a beer at Starr Hill or a meal at Wren. Then go to Park Potomac to compare and contrast. The differences are incredibly stark, let’s just say. And Park Potomac is supposed to be a nice town center with $900,000 condos and $1M+ townhomes.

This is such a weird comparison. Tyson’s is massive. There’s no equivalent on the Maryland side. Park Potomac is tiny compared to Tyson’s. Montgomery mall is more of a normal but still functioning nice mall (I never go to Tyson’s for mall things when Montgomery mall since good enough) , but doesn’t have the surrounding restaurants and commercial space that Tyson’s has. Bethesda row is probably the closest to North Italia’s scene. Like and rose also has some nice places like Caruso but it’s more normal, and ofc, pike and rose is much smaller than Tyson’s.

Maybe you’re just more familiar with stuff in the Virginia side. Us on the Maryland side have no shortage of places to go. Personally, for a lot of my more upscale outings I go to DC proper, it’s a 20 min drive from MoCo on River rd or Clara Barton. I don’t “go out” while staying in the suburbs

You literally have a humongous vacant lot at White Flint Mall that is currently used to train motorcycle riders across from a Whole Foods. It’s connected with a ridiculously oversized parking lot and strip mall with an Aldi. If both the White Flint Mall site and the Aldi strip mall site were developed that is a huge swath of land that can be used for development but neither Amazon or anyone else wants to deal with MoCo’s policies and invest in that area.

Likewise, there are multiple acres above the “North Bethesda” Metro that have sat vacant for decades and only recently were proposed for development in who knows what year. These places would have been developed 20 years ago in Arlington.

That site is vacant because of the Lerners. It has nothing to do with the desirability of the area. The Lerners spent so many years fighting a scorced-earth battle against Lord & Taylor related to the mall that used to be there (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/15-1995/15-1995-2017-02-28.html, https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/10/white-flint-costs/), and then sat and did nothing. That site would have been developed many years ago in any other developer's hands.

The Lerners have nothing to do with that 13.9 acre (!!!) site above North Bethesda Metro sitting vacant for decades until Wes Moore and frumpy Marc Elrich got some development there recently, which probably won’t pan out until 2035 the way development is handled in this county.

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/governor-moore-and-metro-announce-developer-selection-for-north-bethesda-transitaccessible-hub-for-housing-and-economic-dev.aspx

That a 13.9 acre site has been literally sitting as bushes and weeds above a Metro Station that is 3 stops from Bethesda for this long is nuts. It says a lot about the desirability of the area.

The Lerners have nothing to with the lack of progress on the redevelopment of Montgomery Mall, which has been in planning for almost a decade now and nothing has happened.

The Lerners have nothing to do with the lack of investment in redeveloping a place like Wheaton Mall, which sits atop a Metro and would have been redone ages ago if it were in DC, Arlington or Fairfax.

What are you blabbing on about? The West Falls Church metro area was just redeveloped recently, so please stop acting as though every metro station in Nova is perfectly and optimally developed. There's basically nothing at East Falls Church, and that too could be redeveloped but zilch so far. There's also nothing at Dunn Loring, except for "plans." So many underutilized metro stations right in your backyard but somehow you care more about Wheaton?

And in any event, you're wrong about Wheaton. The area next to the Wheaton Metro has a new office building and about six new apartment buildings that were built within the past decade, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Lerners are sitting on 44 acres at white flint, so your post is just disingenuous.

Sometimes Nova people really should look in the mirror at all the problems in their own backyard before throwing shade at Moco.

Dunn Loring has boatloads of development right on top of it - a Harris Teeter, restaurants and stores - and Mosaic a few blocks away. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

Mosaic is a 15-minute walk from Dunn Loring metro (and it's not a particularly pleasant walk either). You're really counting a metro area as being developed if there are amenities 15 minutes away? Oh dear, you Virginia people are really disingenuous. Seriously, look in your own backyards before criticizing moco.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/neighborhood/cameron-pratt-on-why-montgomery-county-has-fallen-behind-northern-virginia-99668

Please see link how Montgomery county has fallen behind northern Va

Why do you keep bringing this up here? There’s a separate thread about NoVa. So bizarre.

The link is to a speech by the developer of Park Potomac where he literally talks about how MoCo has fallen drastically behind NoVA in terms of economic growth and vitality. It seems pretty pertinent to this thread, dear.

Eh, thanks to Trump, Vought, and Musk, NoVA is not doing too well these days either.

Still better than MoCo because of high paying private sector jobs though. And Trump is way more apt to cut spending linked to the NIH than the Pentagon.

You do realize a lot of those private sector jobs in NoVA are tied to government contracts, right? I know several firms along the Dulles Corridor that are laying off staff due to lack of On top of that, other private sector employers in NoVA,like Nestle, are having a huge layoffs.

Go walk through Arlington or even Tysons and you are not seeing as many people out as you normally would either. I dont disagree that MoCo is being hit harder right now, but let's not pretend that NoVA is doing well or isolated.

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Anonymous wrote:I find everywhere in that area excessively crowded during the day - and small chaotic parking lots - and then desolate at night. I just don’t get the appeal and prefer VA.

I really don’t understand the rugged terrain of the roads.

Driving up Seven Locks at night is basically pitch black and the trees hover over and basically touch each other so you can’t see the sky! The houses seem all dark even if it’s early? Idk

Sure, the 16-lane roads in Tysons/McLean, where every traffic light takes five minutes to change, are so appealing and not at all chaotic :)

Speaking of Tysons, go to Patsy’s back bar to watch a nighttime football game and then go to Quincy’s and report back with your findings.

Maybe go to the Boro to go grocery shopping and get a meal at North Italia or go the Capital One Center and go grocery shopping and get a beer at Starr Hill or a meal at Wren. Then go to Park Potomac to compare and contrast. The differences are incredibly stark, let’s just say. And Park Potomac is supposed to be a nice town center with $900,000 condos and $1M+ townhomes.

This is such a weird comparison. Tyson’s is massive. There’s no equivalent on the Maryland side. Park Potomac is tiny compared to Tyson’s. Montgomery mall is more of a normal but still functioning nice mall (I never go to Tyson’s for mall things when Montgomery mall since good enough) , but doesn’t have the surrounding restaurants and commercial space that Tyson’s has. Bethesda row is probably the closest to North Italia’s scene. Like and rose also has some nice places like Caruso but it’s more normal, and ofc, pike and rose is much smaller than Tyson’s.

Maybe you’re just more familiar with stuff in the Virginia side. Us on the Maryland side have no shortage of places to go. Personally, for a lot of my more upscale outings I go to DC proper, it’s a 20 min drive from MoCo on River rd or Clara Barton. I don’t “go out” while staying in the suburbs

You literally have a humongous vacant lot at White Flint Mall that is currently used to train motorcycle riders across from a Whole Foods. It’s connected with a ridiculously oversized parking lot and strip mall with an Aldi. If both the White Flint Mall site and the Aldi strip mall site were developed that is a huge swath of land that can be used for development but neither Amazon or anyone else wants to deal with MoCo’s policies and invest in that area.

Likewise, there are multiple acres above the “North Bethesda” Metro that have sat vacant for decades and only recently were proposed for development in who knows what year. These places would have been developed 20 years ago in Arlington.

That site is vacant because of the Lerners. It has nothing to do with the desirability of the area. The Lerners spent so many years fighting a scorced-earth battle against Lord & Taylor related to the mall that used to be there (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/15-1995/15-1995-2017-02-28.html, https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/10/white-flint-costs/), and then sat and did nothing. That site would have been developed many years ago in any other developer's hands.

The Lerners have nothing to do with that 13.9 acre (!!!) site above North Bethesda Metro sitting vacant for decades until Wes Moore and frumpy Marc Elrich got some development there recently, which probably won’t pan out until 2035 the way development is handled in this county.

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/governor-moore-and-metro-announce-developer-selection-for-north-bethesda-transitaccessible-hub-for-housing-and-economic-dev.aspx

That a 13.9 acre site has been literally sitting as bushes and weeds above a Metro Station that is 3 stops from Bethesda for this long is nuts. It says a lot about the desirability of the area.

The Lerners have nothing to with the lack of progress on the redevelopment of Montgomery Mall, which has been in planning for almost a decade now and nothing has happened.

The Lerners have nothing to do with the lack of investment in redeveloping a place like Wheaton Mall, which sits atop a Metro and would have been redone ages ago if it were in DC, Arlington or Fairfax.

What are you blabbing on about? The West Falls Church metro area was just redeveloped recently, so please stop acting as though every metro station in Nova is perfectly and optimally developed. There's basically nothing at East Falls Church, and that too could be redeveloped but zilch so far. There's also nothing at Dunn Loring, except for "plans." So many underutilized metro stations right in your backyard but somehow you care more about Wheaton?

And in any event, you're wrong about Wheaton. The area next to the Wheaton Metro has a new office building and about six new apartment buildings that were built within the past decade, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Lerners are sitting on 44 acres at white flint, so your post is just disingenuous.

Sometimes Nova people really should look in the mirror at all the problems in their own backyard before throwing shade at Moco.

Dunn Loring has boatloads of development right on top of it - a Harris Teeter, restaurants and stores - and Mosaic a few blocks away. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

Mosaic is a 15-minute walk from Dunn Loring metro (and it's not a particularly pleasant walk either). You're really counting a metro area as being developed if there are amenities 15 minutes away? Oh dear, you Virginia people are really disingenuous. Seriously, look in your own backyards before criticizing moco.

There is literally a town center with a Harris Teeter alongside the Metro station with hundreds of condos, apartments and townhomes nearby.

Mosaic is there too. But what we’re talking about in the paragraph above is not Mosaic. Go on Google maps and type in Avenir Place and come back to the thread better informed.

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And speaking of Harris Teeters PP, what happened to the Harris Teeter that was a 10 minute walk from “North Bethesda” (White Flint) Metro?

Ohhh, it closed. I’m sure Harris Teeter closed it because it was making so much money and was in such a great location, full of upwardly mobile UMC folks who were gamefully employed and weren’t
shoplifting all the time and running out the doors next to the bakery on the second floor.

Hmmm….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And speaking of Harris Teeters PP, what happened to the Harris Teeter that was a 10 minute walk from “North Bethesda” (White Flint) Metro?

Ohhh, it closed. I’m sure Harris Teeter closed it because it was making so much money and was in such a great location, full of upwardly mobile UMC folks who were gamefully employed and weren’t
shoplifting all the time and running out the doors next to the bakery on the second floor.

Hmmm….

Are you dumb? The Harris Teeter and nearby Safeway closed the minute the Rockville Wegmans opened. Smart business decision.