Perfect scores, no interest in Ivys

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Same.

Just interested in MIT and Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:Same.

Just interested in MIT and Stanford.

Suit yourself but depending on your specific interest if you're going all the way to visit MIT it seems somewhat silly to not take a look at Harvard or some of the other excellent universities in the Boston area.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

Many kids applying to school now have strong feelings on Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians specially in Gaza. Over the past few years Ivies have shown by actions that only support for Israel will be allowed. Your freedom speech and academic freedom will be suppressed. You can be expelled from the school if you are in disagreement with the administration or well funded outside groups. This is reinforced in what seems like a preferential admission for Jewish students(12-25% of the students population depending on the school vs 2% of the population). Add in the antisemitism attacks from the federal government that creates a preferred status for students that vocally support Israel.

Most students with the high scores and grades apply ED because it increases your admissions chances(Brown is 17.9% EA and 5% regular admission). Though this limits your choice to one school. Why would you pick a school where you are basically a second class student, can get expelled by outside groups, receive no support from the administration and have federal funding stripped? Today it is support for Israel. Tomorrow it could be support for vaccines or if you are a democrat.

Who wants that type of a hassle went there are other schools out there that are just focused on academics.

Thank you for this comment. Well said.

Anti-Zionism is being substituted for antisemitism, with serious consequences for college students.

If you are a Zionist student and justify the ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the Palestinians, you are protected.

If you are an anti-Zionist who rejects the notion of a Jewish state, and condemn the genocide, you risk discipline and expulsion after being subjected to ADL type antisemitism training.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

I’m ok with it, but if you live in the Northeast, I think it’s illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

Many kids applying to school now have strong feelings on Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians specially in Gaza. Over the past few years Ivies have shown by actions that only support for Israel will be allowed. Your freedom speech and academic freedom will be suppressed. You can be expelled from the school if you are in disagreement with the administration or well funded outside groups. This is reinforced in what seems like a preferential admission for Jewish students(12-25% of the students population depending on the school vs 2% of the population). Add in the antisemitism attacks from the federal government that creates a preferred status for students that vocally support Israel.

Most students with the high scores and grades apply ED because it increases your admissions chances(Brown is 17.9% EA and 5% regular admission). Though this limits your choice to one school. Why would you pick a school where you are basically a second class student, can get expelled by outside groups, receive no support from the administration and have federal funding stripped? Today it is support for Israel. Tomorrow it could be support for vaccines or if you are a democrat.

Who wants that type of a hassle went there are other schools out there that are just focused on academics.

Thank you for this comment. Well said.

Anti-Zionism is being substituted for antisemitism, with serious consequences for college students.

If you are a Zionist student and justify the ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the Palestinians, you are protected.

If you are an anti-Zionist who rejects the notion of a Jewish state, and condemn the genocide, you risk discipline and expulsion after being subjected to ADL type antisemitism training.

So why you running away? You think they just woke up one day and said okay. We're going to let women attend ivy league universities? There was effort and pressure to change the fact that women were excluded. Avoidance is not how that happened.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

Many kids applying to school now have strong feelings on Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians specially in Gaza. Over the past few years Ivies have shown by actions that only support for Israel will be allowed. Your freedom speech and academic freedom will be suppressed. You can be expelled from the school if you are in disagreement with the administration or well funded outside groups. This is reinforced in what seems like a preferential admission for Jewish students(12-25% of the students population depending on the school vs 2% of the population). Add in the antisemitism attacks from the federal government that creates a preferred status for students that vocally support Israel.

Most students with the high scores and grades apply ED because it increases your admissions chances(Brown is 17.9% EA and 5% regular admission). Though this limits your choice to one school. Why would you pick a school where you are basically a second class student, can get expelled by outside groups, receive no support from the administration and have federal funding stripped? Today it is support for Israel. Tomorrow it could be support for vaccines or if you are a democrat.

Who wants that type of a hassle went there are other schools out there that are just focused on academics.

Thank you for this comment. Well said.

Anti-Zionism is being substituted for antisemitism, with serious consequences for college students.

If you are a Zionist student and justify the ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the Palestinians, you are protected.

If you are an anti-Zionist who rejects the notion of a Jewish state, and condemn the genocide, you risk discipline and expulsion after being subjected to ADL type antisemitism training.

So why you running away? You think they just woke up one day and said okay. We're going to let women attend ivy league universities? There was effort and pressure to change the fact that women were excluded. Avoidance is not how that happened.

And it's certainly not unique to the ivy league. That is just an athletic conference.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

Many kids applying to school now have strong feelings on Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians specially in Gaza. Over the past few years Ivies have shown by actions that only support for Israel will be allowed. Your freedom speech and academic freedom will be suppressed. You can be expelled from the school if you are in disagreement with the administration or well funded outside groups. This is reinforced in what seems like a preferential admission for Jewish students(12-25% of the students population depending on the school vs 2% of the population). Add in the antisemitism attacks from the federal government that creates a preferred status for students that vocally support Israel.

Most students with the high scores and grades apply ED because it increases your admissions chances(Brown is 17.9% EA and 5% regular admission). Though this limits your choice to one school. Why would you pick a school where you are basically a second class student, can get expelled by outside groups, receive no support from the administration and have federal funding stripped? Today it is support for Israel. Tomorrow it could be support for vaccines or if you are a democrat.

Who wants that type of a hassle went there are other schools out there that are just focused on academics.

Thank you for this comment. Well said.

Anti-Zionism is being substituted for antisemitism, with serious consequences for college students.

If you are a Zionist student and justify the ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the Palestinians, you are protected.

If you are an anti-Zionist who rejects the notion of a Jewish state, and condemn the genocide, you risk discipline and expulsion after being subjected to ADL type antisemitism training.

So why you running away? You think they just woke up one day and said okay. We're going to let women attend ivy league universities? There was effort and pressure to change the fact that women were excluded. Avoidance is not how that happened.

And I am sure there are some out there that would like to see them excluded again so don't think anyone should just relax. It's a constant battle for progress even with setbacks.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

Weighted gpa means nothing.
Perfect scores are no big deal.
I would say your thinking these would be the main criteria for Ivy admission means you have a lot to learn.

I actually think these kids have figured that out, which is why these high GPA, high test score kids aren’t attracted to Ivies. Everyone wants a school where they’ll be wanted, and fit in, and recent admissions results and statements have made it pretty clear that an ordinary suburban kid from the DMV who is really really smart is not someone who will fit in or be welcome at an Ivy. So why should they want to go there?

Actually my ordinary suburban kid is thriving and has absolutely found their people. The community has been tremendously welcoming and exceeded all expectations which were very high. You don’t have to like any particular school, but I always find it odd when people make generic claims with no direct experience.

I am really happy to hear that! I’m not surprised to hear that some ordinary suburban kids are admitted to Ivies and find their place. I was actually thinking of the somewhat blinkered perspective of a high school student: if you never see ordinary kids from your own high school get in, because all the slots for kids from your school are taken up by hooked kids, you just conclude it’s off the table for you.

Also, I think many kids are turned off to the Ivies because the kids applying and getting admitted were intolerable in high school. Certainly no ALL but many. They're the kids who played along with parents who started the non-profits, nepo'ed their way into research publications, etc. Most other kids want to entirely avoid these grinder outliers.

Some with no personality either. SMH.

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Anonymous wrote:This will cause entertaining responses I'm sure, but what would be your reaction if your 36 ACT/4.8W GPA student didn't want to apply to an Ivy? I respect it but am surprised.

Weighted gpa means nothing.
Perfect scores are no big deal.
I would say your thinking these would be the main criteria for Ivy admission means you have a lot to learn.

I actually think these kids have figured that out, which is why these high GPA, high test score kids aren’t attracted to Ivies. Everyone wants a school where they’ll be wanted, and fit in, and recent admissions results and statements have made it pretty clear that an ordinary suburban kid from the DMV who is really really smart is not someone who will fit in or be welcome at an Ivy. So why should they want to go there?

Actually my ordinary suburban kid is thriving and has absolutely found their people. The community has been tremendously welcoming and exceeded all expectations which were very high. You don’t have to like any particular school, but I always find it odd when people make generic claims with no direct experience.

I am really happy to hear that! I’m not surprised to hear that some ordinary suburban kids are admitted to Ivies and find their place. I was actually thinking of the somewhat blinkered perspective of a high school student: if you never see ordinary kids from your own high school get in, because all the slots for kids from your school are taken up by hooked kids, you just conclude it’s off the table for you.

Also, I think many kids are turned off to the Ivies because the kids applying and getting admitted were intolerable in high school. Certainly no ALL but many. They're the kids who played along with parents who started the non-profits, nepo'ed their way into research publications, etc. Most other kids want to entirely avoid these grinder outliers.

Some with no personality either. SMH.

If only we could find the place full of personalities like yours. What a treat that would be!

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The amount of coping in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds a little they are taking a lot of liberty in assuming they would have gotten in and had the opportunity to turn down. Most of those stats are rejected. However, I applaud any kid that prioritizes fit.

+1 I also have a 1600 scoring kid. Especially with super scoring, a 1600 on the modern SAT is not as rare or meaningful as it once was when the test was designed differently. Even the majority of 1600 kids would get rejected from an ivy today, especially without other stand out accomplishments to back up the test scores. The schools do not really distinguish between a 1600 vs 1550, and there are too many kids who get these top scores, so you have to be a stand out some other way. As a previous thread pointed out, there are probably 20,000 who get 1520 or higher in one sitting, and when you allow super scoring on top of that, the numbers are even higher. It’s really good that OPs kid is not expecting or hoping to get into an Ivy or top10, and good for them for prioritizing fit.

I would be curious to know what places they pick and why. My kid is book smart, but not the leadership type or startup type, nor have they built a nuclear reactor in our garage. They just love learning and want to go somewhere where they can meet other nice, curious kids.

+1. I had a brief moment when DC started getting perfect scores on practice tests where I thought, should I be adjusting the schools we are planning to tour this year? And then I remembered how thoroughly unimpressed he was when we toured Brown, which was probably the closest fit wise of any of the Ivies. He knows he wants an artsy SLAC and so even if he does get a perfect or near perfect score this fall, it won’t change our plans. I’m not going to pressure him to go after something he doesn’t want that he probably wouldn’t get anyway. I’m glad he’s focused on fit and not prestige.

Which artsy SLAC does your DC like? Mine wants strong music arts but wants to major in one of the sciences.

We aren’t done touring yet but so far he liked Oberlin and Skidmore best.

Skidmore the one with the tryhard ads about comedy fest and serving fancy French food in the cafe?

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds a little they are taking a lot of liberty in assuming they would have gotten in and had the opportunity to turn down. Most of those stats are rejected. However, I applaud any kid that prioritizes fit.

+1 I also have a 1600 scoring kid. Especially with super scoring, a 1600 on the modern SAT is not as rare or meaningful as it once was when the test was designed differently. Even the majority of 1600 kids would get rejected from an ivy today, especially without other stand out accomplishments to back up the test scores. The schools do not really distinguish between a 1600 vs 1550, and there are too many kids who get these top scores, so you have to be a stand out some other way. As a previous thread pointed out, there are probably 20,000 who get 1520 or higher in one sitting, and when you allow super scoring on top of that, the numbers are even higher. It’s really good that OPs kid is not expecting or hoping to get into an Ivy or top10, and good for them for prioritizing fit.

I would be curious to know what places they pick and why. My kid is book smart, but not the leadership type or startup type, nor have they built a nuclear reactor in our garage. They just love learning and want to go somewhere where they can meet other nice, curious kids.

+1. I had a brief moment when DC started getting perfect scores on practice tests where I thought, should I be adjusting the schools we are planning to tour this year? And then I remembered how thoroughly unimpressed he was when we toured Brown, which was probably the closest fit wise of any of the Ivies. He knows he wants an artsy SLAC and so even if he does get a perfect or near perfect score this fall, it won’t change our plans. I’m not going to pressure him to go after something he doesn’t want that he probably wouldn’t get anyway. I’m glad he’s focused on fit and not prestige.

Which artsy SLAC does your DC like? Mine wants strong music arts but wants to major in one of the sciences.

We aren’t done touring yet but so far he liked Oberlin and Skidmore best.

Skidmore the one with the tryhard ads about comedy fest and serving fancy French food in the cafe?

Skidmore is in Saratoga springs. It's a great town. I know people that want to skidmore are having perfectly successful careers, so take a look. Don't know as much about Oberlin.

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My kid was slightly lower and didn’t apply to an ivy. Obsessed with statistics and college football. Applied to top-choice T25 school and went there.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a horrible example of vague posting. My initial response is "so?" Next question is "Do they not want Ivies but they want Williams/Pomona/Stanford/MIT/etc." or "Do they want to go to state U for free and be a superstar?" - though guess what - no guarantee they will be a superstar and being average at state U is a lot worse than being average at an Ivy so there will be a lot more pressure to succeed.

But frankly I don't think I generally care so I will move on. Best of luck.

That is no longer true. MIT took one kid out of 50 from my kid's STEM magnet. At least 30 kids who were better in academics, SAT scores, ECs than that one kid, chose UMD. UMD has more top students from the various magnet programs in MD, VA, DC, NJ, Delaware and NY - coming for some of its reputed majors. The sheer volume of top performers in UMD in certain majors should give anxiety to applicants. UMD is not a small, cosy, boutique college.

We're nitpicking whether 100 students in a class of 3000 are "superstars"?

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The missing data point in this thread is whether the kid prefers other schools instead - in which case, great! - or is simply rejecting "the Ivies" out of hand for no reason.