High test score kids who didn't get in where they thought they would

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Anonymous wrote:Are all of the disappointments CS, engineering or stem?

That was true for our high stats kid.

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My kid 1540 kid is full B/K at UMd engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Most high-scoring kids wind up at the major flagships (Michigan, Georgia, Purdue, Rutgers, etc.). There just aren’t that many seats at the elite privates, and many of them are reserved for wealthy/connected/athletic students.

There are only ~17,000 1570+ students per year.

T20 75 percentile cutoff line typically at 1570. 25% of T20 admits have 1570+.

~7000 1570+ go to T20.
~4000 1570+ other top private, SLACs, Stern, Ross, Georgetown, USC, etc.
~3000 1570+ to flagships, Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, UNC, etc.
~3000 1570+ to merit (full or half tuition), Case Western, Grinell, Rochester, etc.

You know that UCLA and Berkeley are actually top 20s, right?

They are test blind. But many high scorers attend these schools happily.

The point is, the number of 1570+ at T20 (other than UCs) can be estimated because the 75 percentile line is typically 1570.

But (at least in recent years) they’re mostly test optional, so the number of kids scoring 1570+ is only 25% of kids submitting scores, or less than 25% of the student body. Eg at Vanderbilt (#18), half of all students were TO, so even though the 75th percentile score is 1560, that only represents 1/8th of the student body. The cutoff for the top 25% of the class would be the median reported score, which was 1540. If you assume that 25% of students at Vandy scored 1570+, you’d be dramatically overstating the number of seats at Vandy available for high-scoring students.

The number comes out correct, albeit it's just an estimate. Also, we are talking about this year, not in the past years.

6 ivies are test required. 25% of all admits: ~3500
12 other T20 are test optional, ~1/8 of all admits: ~3500

6000-8000 1570+ go to T20. It's an estimate, I can assure you the number would not be 700. It's in that range.

About right. Six ivies enroll 14K per year in total. 25% of 14K about 3.5K students.

12 T20 yearly enrollment about 28K in total. 12.5% of 28K, 3.5K.

7K combined.

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Anonymous wrote:Low to mid 1500s + public high schools (unless it’s TJ, Stuy, Bx Science) + engineering/CS major = state schools

That was my kid UMD 1520/3.98 unweighted 14 APs. Rejected from GT

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Anonymous wrote:My kid 1540 kid is full B/K at UMd engineering.

I’m the 1520 poster above. As a state resident with a kid with only 1 B on transcript plus MV and 14 APs, not even honors (got Scholars) and no scholarship, it’s very frustrating.

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1520/35. Competitive Private HS. UW4.0. Female. Spiky artsy niche EC which had nothing to do with applied for majors. In at USC & Michigan for Engineering.

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Asian male, Applied Rd all schools. 34 act , 4.45 when applied. 12+ Ap classes Public school. Lot of ec and national awards finalist . Business major accepted at all public ivys business programs and waitlisted at nyu, stern , vtech, rejected usc Vanderbilt, duke, Wharton, northeastern Got off waitlist Dartmouth, Cornell , northwestern but passed on them. The whole thing is a crap shot. The whole experience was pointless in the grand scheme.

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Asian male, Applied Rd all schools. 34 act , 4.45 when applied. 12+ Ap classes Public school. Lot of ec and national awards finalist . Business major accepted at all public ivys business programs and waitlisted at nyu, stern , vtech, rejected usc Vanderbilt, duke, Wharton, northeastern Got off waitlist Dartmouth, Cornell , northwestern but passed on them. The whole thing is a crap shot. The whole experience was pointless in the grand scheme.

34 ACT is not considered that high and national awards and lots of APs from a public high school don’t matter that much to top private colleges. You actually did really well if you got in all public ivies and got off waitlist of Dartmouth and Northwestern. Cornell would have been the best chance at an Ivy I would have guessed for this profile.

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Above so true esp when Asian male applying RD

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Asian male, Applied Rd all schools. 34 act , 4.45 when applied. 12+ Ap classes Public school. Lot of ec and national awards finalist . Business major accepted at all public ivys business programs and waitlisted at nyu, stern , vtech, rejected usc Vanderbilt, duke, Wharton, northeastern Got off waitlist Dartmouth, Cornell , northwestern but passed on them. The whole thing is a crap shot. The whole experience was pointless in the grand scheme.

What year was this? Not 2025 as Dartmouth did not go to waitlist.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid 1540 kid is full B/K at UMd engineering.

I’m the 1520 poster above. As a state resident with a kid with only 1 B on transcript plus MV and 14 APs, not even honors (got Scholars) and no scholarship, it’s very frustrating.

That is so frustrating. My kid was 3rd in class from title one school, which I'm sure helped a lot. The Scholars programs look really good at UMd! Hope your kid has a great experience!!

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1550/very high GPA was rejected from ivies and UMiami.

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Anonymous wrote:Low to mid 1500s + public high schools (unless it’s TJ, Stuy, Bx Science) + engineering/CS major = state schools

That was my kid UMD 1520/3.98 unweighted 14 APs. Rejected from GT

Don't feel too badly.

My DC -- 1580, 56 credits (I don't even know how many APs, just know the credits -- all 5s), 4.92 wgpa/4.0 unwgpa - rejected at GT.

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Lesson: apply undecided arts & sciences

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^ oh, and was from a magnet program.