Horrifying organ donation article

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I opted out in Virginia, but wrote an email to my DH (so that he can refer to it if questioning himself) saying that I support donation and support him in making the call even if I am having reflexive movements. I just want the decision to come from family.

How do you opt out in Virginia? To clarify, do you actually have to go to the DMV in person as a few others here have mentioned?

No, you do not go in person. You opt out of the registry online, and then if you want you can also have your driver's license reissued (online) for $20. The link to the registry is on the VA DMV website.

Do you have to do this again? I mean they ask you this when you get your license issued if you say "no" aren't you good?

[Anonymous]

The Congressional report (that thr NYT may have been based on) was horrifying.

[Anonymous]

If you take the big $$$$ out of organ donation, I guarantee you that the problem goes away. Wherever and whenever there is a big financial incentive, morals will go out the window fast.

[Anonymous]

I have not read the New York Times article, but I live a big medical town. There is a nonprofit called Southeast tissue alliance that gets the donations from the families then the donated tissue is given to a fortune 500 company that is local that processes and resells the tissue for medical use.

We’ve had some articles in our local paper about the tissue, not being treated respectfully at the fortune 500 company. I.e. tissue was dropped off, but no one was working at receiving and the tissue just rotted outside.


I’m troubled that the families make no money on donating their loved ones organs and tissue. The nonprofit gets their costs reimbursed from the fortune 500 company fortune 500 company makes profit from resale of the tissue for medical use.

[Anonymous]

This world makes me so sad. So much evil for money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I opted out in Virginia, but wrote an email to my DH (so that he can refer to it if questioning himself) saying that I support donation and support him in making the call even if I am having reflexive movements. I just want the decision to come from family.

How do you opt out in Virginia? To clarify, do you actually have to go to the DMV in person as a few others here have mentioned?

No, you do not go in person. You opt out of the registry online, and then if you want you can also have your driver's license reissued (online) for $20. The link to the registry is on the VA DMV website.

Do you have to do this again? I mean they ask you this when you get your license issued if you say "no" aren't you good?

If you already said no, you dont have to say no again. The above was for someone wanting to change their selection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read the New York Times article, but I live a big medical town. There is a nonprofit called Southeast tissue alliance that gets the donations from the families then the donated tissue is given to a fortune 500 company that is local that processes and resells the tissue for medical use.

We’ve had some articles in our local paper about the tissue, not being treated respectfully at the fortune 500 company. I.e. tissue was dropped off, but no one was working at receiving and the tissue just rotted outside.


I’m troubled that the families make no money on donating their loved ones organs and tissue. The nonprofit gets their costs reimbursed from the fortune 500 company fortune 500 company makes profit from resale of the tissue for medical use.

The money in our healthcare system is disgusting. I understand the need for cost recovery for transportation and medical needs. But why are we trying to figure out how to make a buck off of some dead person organs. It’s disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read the New York Times article, but I live a big medical town. There is a nonprofit called Southeast tissue alliance that gets the donations from the families then the donated tissue is given to a fortune 500 company that is local that processes and resells the tissue for medical use.

We’ve had some articles in our local paper about the tissue, not being treated respectfully at the fortune 500 company. I.e. tissue was dropped off, but no one was working at receiving and the tissue just rotted outside.


I’m troubled that the families make no money on donating their loved ones organs and tissue. The nonprofit gets their costs reimbursed from the fortune 500 company fortune 500 company makes profit from resale of the tissue for medical use.

The money in our healthcare system is disgusting. I understand the need for cost recovery for transportation and medical needs. But why are we trying to figure out how to make a buck off of some dead person organs. It’s disturbing.

Most other developed countries isn't like the US. They spend way less and have much better care. The US is shameful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to work in healthcare. I will say this: I know this is happening. Organs are big business $$$$. This is discusting and at this point in time it's not a good idea to put your name on the donation list.

Furthermore if you think this is horrifying. Please go watch the documentary Trafficked with Mariana Van Zeller, Black Market Organs. Also eye-opening.

I think a lot of people are very ignorant about what's happening in hospitals these days. The reach they have, the many, many people who look the other way each day at work. The lack of whistle blowers. The people who walk with their heads down in the hallways.

Watching what happens to healthcare whistleblowers has changed my outlook on healthcare completely. The system tries to destroy them. I’m honestly shocked the NYT was able to even report on this.

What happens to them? Can you give examples?

There are several examples. I’ll give two recent ones from opposing ends of the political spectrum so you can see the treatment of whistleblowers is the same by the system.

Dr. Elizabeth Potter - advanced breast cancer reconstruction surgeon who went viral in January with her video about getting pulled out of a in-progress surgery for a denial of an overnight stay for a patient who was mid-surgery. She has posted the letters she has received from UHC online and you can judge their conduct for yourself. Recently UHC pulled her clinic from being in-network, and she is now facing financial ruin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/doctor-who-spoke-out-against-unitedhealthcare-turns-to-gofundme-after-insurance-companies-retaliate/ar-AA1IG5vW

Dr. Eithan Haim - whistleblower who revealed that Texas Children’s Hospital was continuing to provide medicalized gender transition care to minors after the hospital had said it had stopped. The Biden DOJ charged him with four felonies (but did not dispute the underlying substance of what he said), which would have led to over a decade in prison if convicted. The Trump DOJ dropped the case very quickly after the inauguration. However, he still has significant legal bills, and obviously if Harris had won, his life probably would have been destroyed.

https://www.thefp.com/p/biden-prosecution-eithan-haim-gender-care-childrens-hospital-transitions

In both cases doctors were trying to raise alarms about gross misconduct by the system, and in both cases, the cost was and appears to be their livelihood, and possibly their freedom. I’ve deliberately picked more liberal and more conservative sources here, so you can see the unifying element is how the system quickly tries to crush any whistleblower regardless of political affiliation. You can find these stories discussed widely elsewhere as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in healthcare. I will say this: I know this is happening. Organs are big business $$$$. This is discusting and at this point in time it's not a good idea to put your name on the donation list.

Furthermore if you think this is horrifying. Please go watch the documentary Trafficked with Mariana Van Zeller, Black Market Organs. Also eye-opening.

I think a lot of people are very ignorant about what's happening in hospitals these days. The reach they have, the many, many people who look the other way each day at work. The lack of whistle blowers. The people who walk with their heads down in the hallways.

Watching what happens to healthcare whistleblowers has changed my outlook on healthcare completely. The system tries to destroy them. I’m honestly shocked the NYT was able to even report on this.

What happens to them? Can you give examples?

There are several examples. I’ll give two recent ones from opposing ends of the political spectrum so you can see the treatment of whistleblowers is the same by the system.

Dr. Elizabeth Potter - advanced breast cancer reconstruction surgeon who went viral in January with her video about getting pulled out of a in-progress surgery for a denial of an overnight stay for a patient who was mid-surgery. She has posted the letters she has received from UHC online and you can judge their conduct for yourself. Recently UHC pulled her clinic from being in-network, and she is now facing financial ruin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/doctor-who-spoke-out-against-unitedhealthcare-turns-to-gofundme-after-insurance-companies-retaliate/ar-AA1IG5vW

Dr. Eithan Haim - whistleblower who revealed that Texas Children’s Hospital was continuing to provide medicalized gender transition care to minors after the hospital had said it had stopped. The Biden DOJ charged him with four felonies (but did not dispute the underlying substance of what he said), which would have led to over a decade in prison if convicted. The Trump DOJ dropped the case very quickly after the inauguration. However, he still has significant legal bills, and obviously if Harris had won, his life probably would have been destroyed.

https://www.thefp.com/p/biden-prosecution-eithan-haim-gender-care-childrens-hospital-transitions

In both cases doctors were trying to raise alarms about gross misconduct by the system, and in both cases, the cost was and appears to be their livelihood, and possibly their freedom. I’ve deliberately picked more liberal and more conservative sources here, so you can see the unifying element is how the system quickly tries to crush any whistleblower regardless of political affiliation. You can find these stories discussed widely elsewhere as well.

Very well written, thank you!

[Anonymous]

My instinct was always to say no but tell my DH that if I was truely brain dead to go ahead and have my parts donated. I am gonna remind him of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to work in healthcare. I will say this: I know this is happening. Organs are big business $$$$. This is discusting and at this point in time it's not a good idea to put your name on the donation list.

Furthermore if you think this is horrifying. Please go watch the documentary Trafficked with Mariana Van Zeller, Black Market Organs. Also eye-opening.

I think a lot of people are very ignorant about what's happening in hospitals these days. The reach they have, the many, many people who look the other way each day at work. The lack of whistle blowers. The people who walk with their heads down in the hallways.

Watching what happens to healthcare whistleblowers has changed my outlook on healthcare completely. The system tries to destroy them. I’m honestly shocked the NYT was able to even report on this.

What happens to them? Can you give examples?

There are several examples. I’ll give two recent ones from opposing ends of the political spectrum so you can see the treatment of whistleblowers is the same by the system.

Dr. Elizabeth Potter - advanced breast cancer reconstruction surgeon who went viral in January with her video about getting pulled out of a in-progress surgery for a denial of an overnight stay for a patient who was mid-surgery. She has posted the letters she has received from UHC online and you can judge their conduct for yourself. Recently UHC pulled her clinic from being in-network, and she is now facing financial ruin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/doctor-who-spoke-out-against-unitedhealthcare-turns-to-gofundme-after-insurance-companies-retaliate/ar-AA1IG5vW

Dr. Eithan Haim - whistleblower who revealed that Texas Children’s Hospital was continuing to provide medicalized gender transition care to minors after the hospital had said it had stopped. The Biden DOJ charged him with four felonies (but did not dispute the underlying substance of what he said), which would have led to over a decade in prison if convicted. The Trump DOJ dropped the case very quickly after the inauguration. However, he still has significant legal bills, and obviously if Harris had won, his life probably would have been destroyed.

https://www.thefp.com/p/biden-prosecution-eithan-haim-gender-care-childrens-hospital-transitions

In both cases doctors were trying to raise alarms about gross misconduct by the system, and in both cases, the cost was and appears to be their livelihood, and possibly their freedom. I’ve deliberately picked more liberal and more conservative sources here, so you can see the unifying element is how the system quickly tries to crush any whistleblower regardless of political affiliation. You can find these stories discussed widely elsewhere as well.

Very well written, thank you!

I don’t see how any whistleblower could come forward in this case without risking their livelihood, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My instinct was always to say no but tell my DH that if I was truely brain dead to go ahead and have my parts donated. I am gonna remind him of this.

I think the point is that if you are on these lists, it doesn’t matter what you’ve told your husband.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you take the big $$$$ out of organ donation, I guarantee you that the problem goes away. Wherever and whenever there is a big financial incentive, morals will go out the window fast.

Money always wins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take the big $$$$ out of organ donation, I guarantee you that the problem goes away. Wherever and whenever there is a big financial incentive, morals will go out the window fast.

Money always wins.

Yeah, this is why people need to just opt-out. It’s the only way to force change in the system.