NYT: Men where have you gone, please come back.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in tech support with almost 100% of young men and women, and the job pays around 80K/year. The workplace is around 50/50 young men and women. Almost 100% of these women at this workplace don't want to have anything to do with the men here, and they think these guys are "losers" for working in tech support instead of 400K/yr in software engineering jobs. All of these "average" women think they can get a 9 or 10 guys. One of the average women slept with a high-income software sales guy and former D1 athlete, and now she thinks those guys are willing to take her seriously, LOL...

Some women have ridiculously high standards, to be sure, but so do some men. That's why there are so many incels. I bet if the incel was willing to date a woman who was overweight and not pretty he'd have no problems finding a woman. Instead, they want size 2 women who look like umc yoga instructors.

Cuts both ways.

The sucky thing about living and dating in 2025 vs 1975 is there are way more fat people now, so a very average thin woman in 1975 is considered above average in 2025 just from not being fat. Women have become less attractive so now there’s increased competition for the good ones.

Have you tried not being fatphobic?

The "sucky thing" about being alive in 2025 is ridiculous beauty standards achieved by AI and filters that nobody can match up to, and average women being considered "too fat" by men who aren't even fit themselves. This idea that only non-fat women could be "good ones" is a construct you're free to opt out of, if your brain is capable of some simple critical thinking.

Internist here. No really, a shocking percentage of 20-something females have overweight and obesity. Men tend to be somewhat older *as a cohort* when they move into obesity.

This has nothing to do with with filter-driven beauty standards. Young people in the US are fat, and it occurs earlier in women than men.

Yep. And most men just say no to Ellenphants.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in tech support with almost 100% of young men and women, and the job pays around 80K/year. The workplace is around 50/50 young men and women. Almost 100% of these women at this workplace don't want to have anything to do with the men here, and they think these guys are "losers" for working in tech support instead of 400K/yr in software engineering jobs. All of these "average" women think they can get a 9 or 10 guys. One of the average women slept with a high-income software sales guy and former D1 athlete, and now she thinks those guys are willing to take her seriously, LOL...

Some women have ridiculously high standards, to be sure, but so do some men. That's why there are so many incels. I bet if the incel was willing to date a woman who was overweight and not pretty he'd have no problems finding a woman. Instead, they want size 2 women who look like umc yoga instructors.

Cuts both ways.

The sucky thing about living and dating in 2025 vs 1975 is there are way more fat people now, so a very average thin woman in 1975 is considered above average in 2025 just from not being fat. Women have become less attractive so now there’s increased competition for the good ones.

Have you tried not being fatphobic?

The "sucky thing" about being alive in 2025 is ridiculous beauty standards achieved by AI and filters that nobody can match up to, and average women being considered "too fat" by men who aren't even fit themselves. This idea that only non-fat women could be "good ones" is a construct you're free to opt out of, if your brain is capable of some simple critical thinking.

The issue is not ridiculously high standards or AI and filters. People have literally become fatter. 70% of adults are now overweight or obese.

citation needed (though it seems to imply that men are equally fat, doesn't it?)

You need a citation to show that people are fatter now than in decades prior??

That's separate from the subjective question of how it impacts dating.

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Why is everyone bashing men? Women are very unmarriageable. They too lack basic skills, no grit.

I do think that by 25/27 the best men are snapped up. They might not be married yet, but they're in relationships headed to marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:I supervise some college interns, plus my kid's babysitters and swim coaches and while this isn't a representative sample by any means, these kids are generally alright.

+1 the generations after us has more empathy than we do/did.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these "average" women think they can get a 9 or 10 guys [because they once] slept with a high-income ... former D1 athlete

This is a typical "average guy" story, genderswapped. All of the average guys think ... they're entitled to ... 9s and 10s.

Exactly. These male idiots think that watching Andrew Tate makes them an educated "king" deserving a 10. The difference is that reality hits women hard in their thirties, when all the good men get locked up and the fertility window closes.

I am the PP that work in tech support. Most of these guys would be very happy to date these coworkers but the women think they are losers, and not at their level. Hypergamy is definitely real for women.

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Anonymous wrote:Any time a woman rejects a man he goes crying to his red pill loser friends and complains that women are trash and only want tall rich successful men. Meanwhile women know these men are rejected because they have a personality of a troll and are barely survive as adults. The bar is in hell and these men still bring a shovel.

On a first date:
Was he showered? No
Did he dress nicely? No
Did he show up on time? No
Did he say disparaging things about women? Yes
Did he vote for trump? Yes
Did he make uncomfortable sexual comments? Yes

But oh no, women’s standards are too high, blame feminism!
No, how about these men look in the mirror and realize they have very little to bring to the table and can work on increasing their soft skills.

Where are you meeting these men? I haven't met one of these yet

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of young men these days are unmarriable.

Came for the misandry. Was not disappointed.

If you’re a young man, make your case.

DP.

Nah. Not taking your bait, misandrist. You’ve posted here enough that we all know you hate men. Hate, hate, hate them.

Why bother trying to have a reasonable discussion with a hater like you?

So you've got nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:At most universities. 60% of undegrads are female now. We're failing men.

Or is it that now that women get the chance, they outpace the men. No more DEI for men and they fall apart?

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Anonymous wrote:Women have taken half the high level jobs that used to belong to men in an effort to feel safe and secure with their lives. Good for them, that's understandable.
But they haven't realized by doing that, they shrunk the dating pool considerably. Now there are even less men that are "marriage worthy" and there is more competition for those men.
Men are fine marrying the waitress that is nice to them and runs a tight ship around the house. He would be happy providing her a nice lifestyle. Women will not marry the male equivalent. That's why it seems that there are so few quality men. It's simply due to women's standards are not reasonable considering what's available. So they either need to stay single or learn to find happiness with a man that treats them well even if he is 5'8" and makes $50k a year

The problem is that the "male equivalent" who is "nice to them and runs a tight ship around the house" is so rare that it's practically non-existent. The "around the house" part, in particular, is nearly impossible to find. A nice guy making 50k a year rarely takes on the house duties to the same extent that nice waitress will. That's the problem with aiming down for women. Other than a good income, men rarely provide enough value around the house. Staying single is often better.

There are plenty of men that could and would do it but women are not attracted to that at all. They would quickly lose respect for him and have an affair with the hard working, passionate about his job, project leader at work.

No, there aren't plenty of men who would do that.

Go to a restaurant and ask the servers and bartenders. You would be surprised

I agree. High earning men don’t need and often don’t want their wife to work. We care more about is she going to be a good mother, do our personalities match, etc. My wife made 1/30th of my income when we met, I didn’t remotely care. It’s only the men who don’t earn enough to support a family on their own who want a girlboss wife.

You do realize that the median income in the US is only $40k, right? Two people earning the median income usually expect both to work...and I don't think the man is looking for a "girlboss wife".

Now, let's go to $100k. Well, only 18% of all Americans earn $100k. I don't think anybody anywhere necessarily thinks that's high-earning.

So, is high-earning $500k? Well, only 0.79% of all jobs pay $500k+.

However, most high-earning professional men still care about a wife having a college degree and much more than if your wife will be a "good mother" and do the personalities match...though good mother can mean a million different things (and it usually means a woman who will be Type A in terms of running the household and raising the kids).

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Anonymous wrote:At most universities. 60% of undegrads are female now. We're failing men.

Or is it that now that women get the chance, they outpace the men. No more DEI for men and they fall apart?

Yes, blame the men. When it was the opposite (more men in college than women), did we blame the women?

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Anonymous wrote:At most universities. 60% of undegrads are female now. We're failing men.

Or is it that now that women get the chance, they outpace the men. No more DEI for men and they fall apart?

The DEI sickos never cared about men, and to a certain extent white people. They spent decades justifiying discrimination, or even flat out denying that anyone was being discriminating against. Just providing more opportunities is how they framed the policy. These people never had any integrity, so their current stance shouldn't be a surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in tech support with almost 100% of young men and women, and the job pays around 80K/year. The workplace is around 50/50 young men and women. Almost 100% of these women at this workplace don't want to have anything to do with the men here, and they think these guys are "losers" for working in tech support instead of 400K/yr in software engineering jobs. All of these "average" women think they can get a 9 or 10 guys. One of the average women slept with a high-income software sales guy and former D1 athlete, and now she thinks those guys are willing to take her seriously, LOL...

Some women have ridiculously high standards, to be sure, but so do some men. That's why there are so many incels. I bet if the incel was willing to date a woman who was overweight and not pretty he'd have no problems finding a woman. Instead, they want size 2 women who look like umc yoga instructors.

Cuts both ways.

The sucky thing about living and dating in 2025 vs 1975 is there are way more fat people now, so a very average thin woman in 1975 is considered above average in 2025 just from not being fat. Women have become less attractive so now there’s increased competition for the good ones.

Have you tried not being fatphobic?

The "sucky thing" about being alive in 2025 is ridiculous beauty standards achieved by AI and filters that nobody can match up to, and average women being considered "too fat" by men who aren't even fit themselves. This idea that only non-fat women could be "good ones" is a construct you're free to opt out of, if your brain is capable of some simple critical thinking.

Internist here. No really, a shocking percentage of 20-something females have overweight and obesity. Men tend to be somewhat older *as a cohort* when they move into obesity.

This has nothing to do with with filter-driven beauty standards. Young people in the US are fat, and it occurs earlier in women than men.

Yep. And most men just say no to Ellenphants.

Get a load of this guy! What a catch!!!

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Anonymous wrote:At most universities. 60% of undegrads are female now. We're failing men.

maybe the men are failing themselves? Are they incapable of helping themselves?

My mother was like this with my brother. She always expected me, who is younger than my brother, to take care of him. She made him lazy, which for most women, is an unattractive quality. I told her that he is capable of taking care of himself -- he is not disabled and generally smart. But, he was lazy, and she perpetuated that laziness with how she coddled him.

The funny thing is when he went into the military, they whipped him, literally, into shape. He was not lazy. Then he left the military and went back to his lazy self.

Some people just need that regimented lifestyle because they don't have that internal motivation.

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Anonymous wrote:I supervise some college interns, plus my kid's babysitters and swim coaches and while this isn't a representative sample by any means, these kids are generally alright.

+1 the generations after us has more empathy than we do/did.

They also don't seem as mentally resilient, though. They've gone too far the other way in terms of "mental health awareness". The older generation internalized too much, which is not good, but this younger generation can't seem to internalize anything and deal with stresses; they need mental health days just because their boss yelled at them. There needs to be a happy medium.

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Anonymous wrote:Today the average woman wants absolutely nothing to do with the average man. If a man is not at least 6 feet tall & makes at least 6 figures he is almost completely out of the dating pool. Because a male 9 hooked up with her one night because he was drunk & bored a female 4 thinks she is owed a 9 or 10 high value man & will settle for nothing less.

Because of the combination of the IPhone dating apps, social media, the Covid/George Floyd insanity of 2020, & 3rd wave feminism we have a lost generation of women. And the show Sex & the City convinced women they could move to a big city, be boss babes & ride the cock carousel with every man they could & still think high value men would still want to date & marry them. What is going on right now is a ticking time bomb for our society & it’s not going to end well.

This is just red pill tate nonesense. No women believe this, it's parroted to you by other undatable men with crap personalities.

You think it’s…men that came up with this?

Yep. Women like all sorts of men. However, they like men with personalities who are kind to them. Instead of being a genuinely good person, these red pill tate nonsensers instead blame their lack of dating success on women - who they say only want those things (6/6/6). But that's not what women are saying. Women are dating shorter men, less rich men, less fit men all the time. Its men perpetuating this to other men and its keeping you single and mad, which is keeping them in business. It's quite transparent if you actually look at it.

Nailed it. I coupled up with a man who is a mere inch taller than me (well short of 6'), and makes a fraction of the money I make. A man who treats me well, makes me laugh, makes me think, and shoulders more of the household work. He gets called a beta by the one guy who incessantly sock puppets these threads.

That guy and his ilk love to latch on to that one time someone they knew encountered a gold digger, or got cheated on, or got turned down by a woman for any reason, or whatever other undesirable behavior, and apply it to all women everywhere. And yet never wonders why no one takes him seriously. And never reflects on why he keeps coming here to spread his view on gender relations that is even more narrow than his d|ck.