MAGA: what’s the plan after everyone is deported?

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Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

Wages will rise due to demand and more native born Americans will work those jobs.

OMG, I am so sick of this stupidity. Every time that has been attempted, it has failed. Americans will start the job and quit the next day. Ask dairy farmers in Wisconsin. They couldn't raise their wages enough. People still quit. We don't want to pick fruit or work in chicken factories no matter how much you pay them.

We need to go back to the 70s when Mexicans crossed the border to work then went back home. Then we made it too difficult to do this and they stayed. We need migrant workers.

When was this ever attempted at scale?

My dad owned a landscaping company and employed illegal laborers. He tried hiring Americans but yeah, they never worked out. Never wanted to do the work. He could not find willing workers even when paying a slightly higher rate. If he paid a much higher wage, maybe he could have found people, but then he couldn’t stay in business because his competitors would undercut him by hiring illegals.

If we remove the illegals, then that levels the playing field. Prices will need to increase. Some industries will survive and others won’t.

If a business produces an important product that is in strong demand, like meat, people will continue to buy it because it is high value, and they will sacrifice other purchases in order to afford it.

If a business produces a product that is more discretionary, like pedicures, then they might not survive, since customers are now spending higher percentages of their income on groceries. They won’t have money left over for Amazon junk, pedicures, or house cleaners. That is OK.

[Anonymous]

Prisoners. Welfare recipients. Unemployed people. You must work to get government benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Prisoners. Welfare recipients. Unemployed people. You must work to get government benefits.

Alabama tried prisoners and they wouldn't do the work.

I bet you that people who get gov't benefits won't do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious as to what the plan is after Trump has deported everyone. How will our economy function?

Who will work in agriculture? Meat packing? Service industry? I see a lot about “immigrants” being slave labor and that wages will have to go up to attract US citizens to these jobs. But that will lead to a huge increase in prices. And will US citizens move to where these jobs are located? Or is the idea that the government will subsidize the cost of relocating the jobs to where the people who currently rely on government handouts currently live?

What’s the plan?

Meatpacking used to be a stable, middle-class union job, with multiple generations of families working at the same plant. In 1960, the industry was 95% unionized, paying wages that were comparable to those in the auto and steel industries. Meatpacking was skilled labor. A meatpacker was trained like an old-fashioned butcher to take an animal from slaughter to final cuts.

In the 1960s, a company called IBP (Iowa Beef Packers) figured out that you didn't need skilled labor if you didn't care about your workers. Instead of workers doing a variety of jobs, IBP had workers do one cut all day long, maybe separate the hind quarter from the carcass, or slice a single cut of steak.

Meatpacking wages across the industry stayed high through the early 1980s, but then started to fall, as more companies adopted the IBP method. After all, anyone could be trained to do a single cut. By the mid-80s, wages had plunged and unions were disappearing. It was a race to the bottom and meatpacking was quickly becoming the worst job in America.

One reason it was now so awful, was that the IBP method resulted in a huge rise in repetitive stress injuries and debilitating knife cuts caused by inattention and fatigue. Doing one cut all day long on a speeding factory line was good for corporate profits but disastrously bad for actual humans.

Today, Places like Tyson Chicken and Smithfield Ham need an endless supply of 3rd world immigrants to keep wages low and unions busted, but also because it's a job that destroys the human body and spirit. Even if you're not injured, the work is so grueling that most immigrants can only do it for a couple of years before they move on. That's why you'll see that the ethnic composition of rural meatpacking towns goes through successive waves of foreigners-- Mexicans, Somalis, Sudanese, Guatemalans, Haitians-- as each group gets brought in and burned out, while management goes looking for another group of suckers.

Shutting down the immigration pipeline and deporting the illegals will go a long way to restoring the balance between workers and corporations. Likewise, we need to go back to a system with lots of small-scale regional meat processors staffed by skilled workers, something that will require breaking up these abusive corporations and overhauling the USDA inspection program.

Yes, prices of meat will certainly rise, but you already shouldn't be eating factory-farmed meat and you shouldn't be patronizing corporations that are actively wrecking America.

THIS. It needs to be shouted from the rooftops

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

Wages will rise due to demand and more native born Americans will work those jobs.

😂😂😂

I cannot. People can’t really think this? Right, right?

The GOP just voted down an increase in the federal min wage increase in April.

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Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

How is it that almost every other country on Earth can do everything without mass illegal immigration on the scale like Dems support in America? Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Japan, China, Germany.....they all are capable of growing enough food, getting their hotels cleaned, and having staff to run restaurants without mass illegal immigration. Hell, been to Japan? Of the times their food is way cheaper than the US! Even after accounting for PPP and exchange rates, Japan doesn't need mass illegal immigration for food production and running restaurants.


Such a dumb Dem argument. Other countries have figured this out already.

I just can’t. People, please read the news. Japan has had stagnation for DECADES. The lost decades, anyone? The pea sized apartments that are so small the sink is on the back of a toilet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10,000,000 people is a drop in the bucket.

Not when they are concentrated in a few industries. But why not answer the question?

Wages will rise due to demand and more native born Americans will work those jobs.

OMG, I am so sick of this stupidity. Every time that has been attempted, it has failed. Americans will start the job and quit the next day. Ask dairy farmers in Wisconsin. They couldn't raise their wages enough. People still quit. We don't want to pick fruit or work in chicken factories no matter how much you pay them.

We need to go back to the 70s when Mexicans crossed the border to work then went back home. Then we made it too difficult to do this and they stayed. We need migrant workers.

When was this ever attempted at scale?

My dad owned a landscaping company and employed illegal laborers. He tried hiring Americans but yeah, they never worked out. Never wanted to do the work. He could not find willing workers even when paying a slightly higher rate. If he paid a much higher wage, maybe he could have found people, but then he couldn’t stay in business because his competitors would undercut him by hiring illegals.

If we remove the illegals, then that levels the playing field. Prices will need to increase. Some industries will survive and others won’t.

If a business produces an important product that is in strong demand, like meat, people will continue to buy it because it is high value, and they will sacrifice other purchases in order to afford it.

If a business produces a product that is more discretionary, like pedicures, then they might not survive, since customers are now spending higher percentages of their income on groceries. They won’t have money left over for Amazon junk, pedicures, or house cleaners. That is OK.

Landscaping services are far from affordable despite widespread use of undocumented workers. If there is shortage, then what’s likely going to happen is self-employed young men will be doing this work (It’s becoming popular as a side business with HS and college guys) for a fee that would take the middle man (owner) out of equation. The prices will stay the same. Self employed handymen, carpenters, plumbers, landscapers are already out there. I may suck for private equity company buying mom and pop landscaping and other skilled labor business to hike up prices and make profits running them to the ground. It may suck for greedier business owners who want cheapest possible labor while billing prices to the customers as if they are employing college grads from top schools.

Truth is trades companies bill diff prices depending on the neighborhood and how much loose disposable income customers tend to have vs. having set prices based on job difficulty and duration. If this model falls apart, I won’t be crying.

[Anonymous]

MAGA doesn't have a plan

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White people in blue states aren't going to take these manual labor jobs because they are too educated for them. No one with a college education is going to work a field or a factory.

White people in red states will be the ones to maybe take the jobs, but all my maga relatives in red states are lazy af and suck off the government's teat.

This is a problem we created ourselves by pushing the narrative in high school that college was the only path to success.

Even on here, the college forum is full of parents fretting over test scores, weighted/unweighted GAPs, and extracurriculars because not getting into a top college is seen as being a huge failure. Parents have the attitude that any school that isn't a T20 is trash and no one who graduates from there will ever be successful.

So yeah we can kick out all the immigrants who do these manual labor jobs for pennies on the dollar, but the fact remains that the US doesn't have the workforce to fill these jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA doesn't have a plan

Trump and republicans just hate everyone. They are crazy hate filled people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White people in blue states aren't going to take these manual labor jobs because they are too educated for them. No one with a college education is going to work a field or a factory.

White people in red states will be the ones to maybe take the jobs, but all my maga relatives in red states are lazy af and suck off the government's teat.

This is a problem we created ourselves by pushing the narrative in high school that college was the only path to success.

Even on here, the college forum is full of parents fretting over test scores, weighted/unweighted GAPs, and extracurriculars because not getting into a top college is seen as being a huge failure. Parents have the attitude that any school that isn't a T20 is trash and no one who graduates from there will ever be successful.

So yeah we can kick out all the immigrants who do these manual labor jobs for pennies on the dollar, but the fact remains that the US doesn't have the workforce to fill these jobs.

We have built a service and IP economy that the felon and MAGA are too dumb to consider. DH is a lawyer who is paid nearly 100% by foreign companies and has been for his 30-year career. His job isn’t accounted for, and he’s hardly alone.

[Anonymous]

Trump said he's going to empty US jails and send the prisoners to El Salvador. Its cheaper for them to house them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who will pick our cotton??!!?

After every immigrant is deported, we pick our own cotton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who will pick our cotton??!!?

After every immigrant is deported, we pick our own cotton.

That’s what liberals are rightly afraid of. We is usually thee. And is based on race and gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who will pick our cotton??!!?

After every immigrant is deported, we pick our own cotton.

That’s what liberals are rightly afraid of. We is usually thee. And is based on race and gender.

You are a nut job.