IU Kelley last minute switch up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh for Peet’s sake. Drop Kelley. Get a 3.7 freshman year and transfer to NYU.

A student might not have the option to drop Kelley even if they achieve a 3.7 GPA with just one B grade. If I had a student seeking standard admission to Kelley, I would strongly consider contacting my child's second-choice school to see if that option would still be available. As a paying customer, there's no reason to accept this kind of treatment

What would the second choice have been? No one picks IU Kelly over Wharton, Dyson, even Ross. So they are calling the likes of what, Clemson or Pitt? The better play is to go freshman year and then transfer to Stern, USC Marshall, Emory, which have better b school experiences anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how many people on this thread are calling kids stupid for nothing being able to get a 3.3 GPA when it has been repeatedly said that they must receive a B+ grade in every class - Kelley or not. [This is only for automatic admission, but kids can still get in.] That means 10 classes, as a freshman including the "weed out" ones, you can never get less than a B+. You can have a 3.9 GPA and not make it for one B in a 1 credit class. [Extremely unlikely]

Furthermore, you can assume that they are not going to do non-automatic admissions if they already went to such lengths as to enroll students under terms they knew they would not honor, weeks later. [No you can’t. They will likely have fewer non-automatic admits but are still likely to take kids that barely miss (like your 3.9 example).] They did it because they are out of room, but they knew that before May 1 and they did it anyway to trap the pre-business students at IU, [Conjecture. If they are out of room, why would the business school want to trap these students? And no one is trapped if they get the grades.] having declined all other enrollments.

Meanwhile, the direct admits only have to get a 2.0 cumulative and can include any grade at or above a D-. [Wrong. You have to get a C or higher in the prereqs or you get started down the academic watch/alert/dismissal path.] If this school is so elite and these direct admits are so clearly brilliant, why the polar opposite standards for performance?

There is absolutely legal precedent which prevents universities from doing what IU has done, [provide these precedents (I’m sure you can’t)] and I hope and expect that they will get sued. The standard admission agreement the kids enrolled with was "automated guaranteed admission with B or higher in every grade". [As has been stated multiple times, they enrolled at IU, not Kelley.] Check case law before saying there is no case [good advice, take it]. It's a very expensive university [no it isn’t] and they did a very classic bait and switch with the hope of retaining some students in alternate majors by enrolling them under false pretense. [again, conjecture]

Not a good look.

There were a lot of errors in your post, so I fixed it for you above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh for Peet’s sake. Drop Kelley. Get a 3.7 freshman year and transfer to NYU.

A student might not have the option to drop Kelley even if they achieve a 3.7 GPA with just one B grade. If I had a student seeking standard admission to Kelley, I would strongly consider contacting my child's second-choice school to see if that option would still be available. As a paying customer, there's no reason to accept this kind of treatment

Just demand to speak to the manager already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how many people on this thread are calling kids stupid for nothing being able to get a 3.3 GPA when it has been repeatedly said that they must receive a B+ grade in every class - Kelley or not. [This is only for automatic admission, but kids can still get in.] That means 10 classes, as a freshman including the "weed out" ones, you can never get less than a B+. You can have a 3.9 GPA and not make it for one B in a 1 credit class. [Extremely unlikely]

Furthermore, you can assume that they are not going to do non-automatic admissions if they already went to such lengths as to enroll students under terms they knew they would not honor, weeks later. [No you can’t. They will likely have fewer non-automatic admits but are still likely to take kids that barely miss (like your 3.9 example).] They did it because they are out of room, but they knew that before May 1 and they did it anyway to trap the pre-business students at IU, [Conjecture. If they are out of room, why would the business school want to trap these students? And no one is trapped if they get the grades.] having declined all other enrollments.

Meanwhile, the direct admits only have to get a 2.0 cumulative and can include any grade at or above a D-. [Wrong. You have to get a C or higher in the prereqs or you get started down the academic watch/alert/dismissal path.] If this school is so elite and these direct admits are so clearly brilliant, why the polar opposite standards for performance?

There is absolutely legal precedent which prevents universities from doing what IU has done, [provide these precedents (I’m sure you can’t)] and I hope and expect that they will get sued. The standard admission agreement the kids enrolled with was "automated guaranteed admission with B or higher in every grade". [As has been stated multiple times, they enrolled at IU, not Kelley.] Check case law before saying there is no case [good advice, take it]. It's a very expensive university [no it isn’t] and they did a very classic bait and switch with the hope of retaining some students in alternate majors by enrolling them under false pretense. [again, conjecture]

Not a good look.

There were a lot of errors in your post, so I fixed it for you above.

You spent a lot of effort to highlight what a tool you are.

Here is the Kelley cumulative requirements- https://bulletin.kelley.iu.edu/Undergrad/Policy/Detail?policyId=36&year=2024-2025 Requiring a C in certain core classes but a 2.0 overall. Exactly what I said.

Admission to pre business at IU as you like to highlight held a guaranteed pathway to Kelley, so whether the admission was to IU/Kelley or IU is completely irrelevant.

Case Law
Implied Contract Theory: Zumbrun v. University of Southern California, 101 Cal.Rptr. 499
Promissory Estoppel: R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. v. Durham County, 479 U.S. 130
Additional:
Doe v. Columbia University, 831
Mangla v. Brown University, 135
Connelly v. University of Vermont
Ross v. Creighton University, 957

I'm not going to even bother to factually discredit the rest of your nonsense or respond to any of your future posts. You are completely clueless.

[Anonymous]

Your child isn't even enrolled in the school. Admitted, intend to enroll, deposit down but that is it.

But hey, get that lawsuit filed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing how many people on this thread are calling kids stupid for nothing being able to get a 3.3 GPA when it has been repeatedly said that they must receive a B+ grade in every class - Kelley or not. [This is only for automatic admission, but kids can still get in.] That means 10 classes, as a freshman including the "weed out" ones, you can never get less than a B+. You can have a 3.9 GPA and not make it for one B in a 1 credit class. [Extremely unlikely]

Furthermore, you can assume that they are not going to do non-automatic admissions if they already went to such lengths as to enroll students under terms they knew they would not honor, weeks later. [No you can’t. They will likely have fewer non-automatic admits but are still likely to take kids that barely miss (like your 3.9 example).] They did it because they are out of room, but they knew that before May 1 and they did it anyway to trap the pre-business students at IU, [Conjecture. If they are out of room, why would the business school want to trap these students? And no one is trapped if they get the grades.] having declined all other enrollments.

Meanwhile, the direct admits only have to get a 2.0 cumulative and can include any grade at or above a D-. [Wrong. You have to get a C or higher in the prereqs or you get started down the academic watch/alert/dismissal path.] If this school is so elite and these direct admits are so clearly brilliant, why the polar opposite standards for performance?

There is absolutely legal precedent which prevents universities from doing what IU has done, [provide these precedents (I’m sure you can’t)] and I hope and expect that they will get sued. The standard admission agreement the kids enrolled with was "automated guaranteed admission with B or higher in every grade". [As has been stated multiple times, they enrolled at IU, not Kelley.] Check case law before saying there is no case [good advice, take it]. It's a very expensive university [no it isn’t] and they did a very classic bait and switch with the hope of retaining some students in alternate majors by enrolling them under false pretense. [again, conjecture]

Not a good look.

There were a lot of errors in your post, so I fixed it for you above.

You spent a lot of effort to highlight what a tool you are.

Here is the Kelley cumulative requirements- https://bulletin.kelley.iu.edu/Undergrad/Policy/Detail?policyId=36&year=2024-2025 Requiring a C in certain core classes but a 2.0 overall. Exactly what I said.

Admission to pre business at IU as you like to highlight held a guaranteed pathway to Kelley, so whether the admission was to IU/Kelley or IU is completely irrelevant.

Case Law
Implied Contract Theory: Zumbrun v. University of Southern California, 101 Cal.Rptr. 499
Promissory Estoppel: R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. v. Durham County, 479 U.S. 130
Additional:
Doe v. Columbia University, 831
Mangla v. Brown University, 135
Connelly v. University of Vermont
Ross v. Creighton University, 957

I'm not going to even bother to factually discredit the rest of your nonsense or respond to any of your future posts. You are completely clueless.

Since you aren’t going to make an effort, I won’t either. But on your first point, you also said “can include any grade at or above a D-,” which, it can’t, as I said. But reading isn’t your strong suit, so I doubt any of those cases are relevant for this either.

[Anonymous]

Spoke to an AO at Kelley very recently. Found out that there's likely going to be a change in the criteria for direct admits and possibly standard admits, again for the Fall 2026 application cycle. We won't know till August.

[Anonymous]

I understand the concern about the bait and switch here in these individual cases for students. It must raise all kinds of worries about what the college experience will be for your kid.
But there are also larger concerns about what's happening at IU with the governor and the BOT that I think all of us who have kids headed to IU in the fall ought to be paying attention to. Kelley is the star, and so it's easy to think it won't be affected, but the anti-university actions directed at IU in particular are likely to have a ripple effect across campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Spoke to an AO at Kelley very recently. Found out that there's likely going to be a change in the criteria for direct admits and possibly standard admits, again for the Fall 2026 application cycle. We won't know till August.

Likely to see changes by August at other direct admit business schools as well.