White collar jobs are all about to become obsolete. What are you doing to prepare?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone have a good link on how/why/when or evidence that white collar jobs are going away?

Yes I could google it, but since many here are totally convinced it's happening, I want to see what you're reading.

You comes off kind of passive aggressive. When you say with “Yeah, I could just Google it,” you admit you do not really need help, so it feels like you are testing us rather than really asking. Saying “since many here are totally convinced” hints that you think we are gullible, and “totally” ramps up your sarcasm. “I want to see what you’re reading” flips the burden on us prove a point. You are scoffing while pretending to be polite.

So, go to google and do a search.

Not PP but, yeah, if you’re going to start a thread like this you should be able to defend it.

No one has to do anything but stay black and die.

I said “should,” not has to, but thanks for confirming this thread is based on nothing.

Logically fallacy--saying that no one needs to answer your rhetorical questions does not mean the information at hand doesn't exist.

Red herring—trying to distract from the fact that you can’t produce anything in response to PP saying he wanted to see what you’re reading.

What a pathetic thread.

No one said they couldn't produce anything. They are choosing not to address a scoffing question.

You think the thread is pathetic. I don't think it is. So I guess we cancel each other out. Thread, continue on!

“Anyone have a good link on how/why/when or evidence that white collar jobs are going away?” is not a scoffing question. It’s a request for a modicum of evidence in favor of the original point of the thread.

So by all means, continue on with this evidence-free thread.

ok, we will do so, happily! DCUM is not a college course, we do not cite out sources MLA or ALA style here.

Yes, because supplying someone with a link is the same as a college course. God forbid you back up your arguments with any evidence or even thought-provoking pieces.

Instead, it’s just vibes and some of the dumbest takes imaginable. Which could actually be DCUM’s slogan, to be fair.

A link to what, exactly, you nincompoop? A link to someone with a Ph.D.’s written observations of the news?

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Douthat interviewed a philosopher who doesn't understand the underlying tech or the industries hype cycle itself. While he makes a lot of interesting points generally, the level of tech is not anywhere close to the level it needs to be. It's text auto completion and nothing resembling intelligence. These companies are soaking up investment money hoping to be around long enough for a completely unpredictable breakthrough.

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Anonymous wrote:Come to Vermont, learn the gig economy. We are giving the best to our DC. Music lessons, sports, land, excellent theater opportunities and all around education. And for it all our COL is way less and our lives are so much happier. We may come back to DC someday but we will have plenty money and sanity and our amazing kids will be launched with out all your toxicity. It’s smallish town but we travel!

What do you do for money making in Vermont?

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My legacy for my teen kid will be a subsidized apartment in a HCOL area and hours of home care for his grandfather paid by the state (I am planning to get care from the state later as well so hopefully continuity). Hopefully also a section 8 voucher and then he is all set. I mean it’s not cushy but it’s a roof over his head and food on his table.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m saving to pay off my house so my kids always have a home even if there are no well paying jobs anymore.

When our government starts handing out living wages for all they will take your house. Or the social unrest before that will result in you losing your house.

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Anonymous wrote:Come to Vermont, learn the gig economy. We are giving the best to our DC. Music lessons, sports, land, excellent theater opportunities and all around education. And for it all our COL is way less and our lives are so much happier. We may come back to DC someday but we will have plenty money and sanity and our amazing kids will be launched with out all your toxicity. It’s smallish town but we travel!

What do you do for money making in Vermont?

I spent a lot of time in Vermont, perhaps the least educated and least diverse state. When I spent time there, every kid lucky enough to go to college never came back. I'm sure that's changed with remote jobs, but not all the way. Vermonters hate outsiders, and unless they come from family money, they are almost all poor.

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Anonymous wrote:Douthat interviewed a philosopher who doesn't understand the underlying tech or the industries hype cycle itself. While he makes a lot of interesting points generally, the level of tech is not anywhere close to the level it needs to be. It's text auto completion and nothing resembling intelligence. These companies are soaking up investment money hoping to be around long enough for a completely unpredictable breakthrough.

Okay.

[Anonymous]

Just remember Sam Altman would not help his sister who is struggling. This is the man who will control your future.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone have a good link on how/why/when or evidence that white collar jobs are going away?

Yes I could google it, but since many here are totally convinced it's happening, I want to see what you're reading.

You comes off kind of passive aggressive. When you say with “Yeah, I could just Google it,” you admit you do not really need help, so it feels like you are testing us rather than really asking. Saying “since many here are totally convinced” hints that you think we are gullible, and “totally” ramps up your sarcasm. “I want to see what you’re reading” flips the burden on us prove a point. You are scoffing while pretending to be polite.

So, go to google and do a search.

You just sound really awkward and weird.

Anonymous internet person, you don’t have the authority or personal standing to define who I am, so the names you throw out won’t change my reputation or self-worth in the eyes of anyone else reading or make me question them myself. You may not be a real person, and if you are, you are just bunch of 000s and 1111s, a nothingness.

NP. Recently there's been a rash of people calling other people's comments "bots" and "AI".

I really think people are starting to get a bit paranoid.

I think it's hard to prepare for the impact of AI right now. I'm working with people who are interested in using it at my job. So far, we aren't even 1% of the way towards implementing it for what we want to use it for.

I am saving a lot of money and if and when I lose my job, then I will assess the hiring market I face at that time and look for lower-paid jobs I can do.

I agree with PP's above that something's in the wind but it's not AI. It's the economic and policy uncertainty related to the Trump Administration's chaotic and uninformed policies. Companies are freezing hiring until there are more clear positive signals. Before the election, they were slowing hiring out of prudence in case of a pivot. Now they don't know what to do that will guarantee positive results.

This period reminds me of the time around the Persian Gulf War in 1991, 2001 when the tech stocks crashed, and 2008-2009. Things will improve cyclically again.

Sucks to be at mid-life for this, I agree. But it's never been easy to be Gen-X.

I'm Gen X too. AI is going to dominate everything - within a year, maybe two. It's accelerating every day. I use it for about 50-75 percent of my job now. My kids are running complex economic models on it and coding and creating app prototypes on it. It did my taxes flawlessly, it diagnoses all my medical conditions and analyzes all my blood tests, and it's answering all my emails now. More broadly, it's beginning to make huge drug and medical breakthroughs. This week it started making movies on demand: "Make a movie with Tom Cruise going to the moon...." It's taking over the stock market. It's writing books. It's producing the majority of content on Substack. For the moment, it still has hallucinations, but those are fewer and fewer. We're all going to have personal AI assistants within two years, and self-driving AI cars will dominate way before electric cars ever will. If you're not following Sam Altman and others like him, you're going to be shocked as each of these things happens out of the blue for you. Society is going to change. We may not get to keep our homes. We will lose our jobs. We may not even survive. It's fascinating and terrifying. Futurists from MIT say that AGI will ultimately team up and turn on humans. Who knows? But life is about to change in ways we can't even imagine.

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Looking forward to AI taking over my job so that I can get a better one.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone have a good link on how/why/when or evidence that white collar jobs are going away?

Yes I could google it, but since many here are totally convinced it's happening, I want to see what you're reading.

You comes off kind of passive aggressive. When you say with “Yeah, I could just Google it,” you admit you do not really need help, so it feels like you are testing us rather than really asking. Saying “since many here are totally convinced” hints that you think we are gullible, and “totally” ramps up your sarcasm. “I want to see what you’re reading” flips the burden on us prove a point. You are scoffing while pretending to be polite.

So, go to google and do a search.

You just sound really awkward and weird.

Anonymous internet person, you don’t have the authority or personal standing to define who I am, so the names you throw out won’t change my reputation or self-worth in the eyes of anyone else reading or make me question them myself. You may not be a real person, and if you are, you are just bunch of 000s and 1111s, a nothingness.

NP. Recently there's been a rash of people calling other people's comments "bots" and "AI".

I really think people are starting to get a bit paranoid.

I think it's hard to prepare for the impact of AI right now. I'm working with people who are interested in using it at my job. So far, we aren't even 1% of the way towards implementing it for what we want to use it for.

I am saving a lot of money and if and when I lose my job, then I will assess the hiring market I face at that time and look for lower-paid jobs I can do.

I agree with PP's above that something's in the wind but it's not AI. It's the economic and policy uncertainty related to the Trump Administration's chaotic and uninformed policies. Companies are freezing hiring until there are more clear positive signals. Before the election, they were slowing hiring out of prudence in case of a pivot. Now they don't know what to do that will guarantee positive results.

This period reminds me of the time around the Persian Gulf War in 1991, 2001 when the tech stocks crashed, and 2008-2009. Things will improve cyclically again.

Sucks to be at mid-life for this, I agree. But it's never been easy to be Gen-X.

I'm Gen X too. AI is going to dominate everything - within a year, maybe two. It's accelerating every day. I use it for about 50-75 percent of my job now. My kids are running complex economic models on it and coding and creating app prototypes on it. It did my taxes flawlessly, it diagnoses all my medical conditions and analyzes all my blood tests, and it's answering all my emails now. More broadly, it's beginning to make huge drug and medical breakthroughs. This week it started making movies on demand: "Make a movie with Tom Cruise going to the moon...." It's taking over the stock market. It's writing books. It's producing the majority of content on Substack. For the moment, it still has hallucinations, but those are fewer and fewer. We're all going to have personal AI assistants within two years, and self-driving AI cars will dominate way before electric cars ever will. If you're not following Sam Altman and others like him, you're going to be shocked as each of these things happens out of the blue for you. Society is going to change. We may not get to keep our homes. We will lose our jobs. We may not even survive. It's fascinating and terrifying. Futurists from MIT say that AGI will ultimately team up and turn on humans. Who knows? But life is about to change in ways we can't even imagine.

100% BS

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Anonymous wrote:Douthat interviewed a philosopher who doesn't understand the underlying tech or the industries hype cycle itself. While he makes a lot of interesting points generally, the level of tech is not anywhere close to the level it needs to be. It's text auto completion and nothing resembling intelligence. These companies are soaking up investment money hoping to be around long enough for a completely unpredictable breakthrough.

Okay.

He left OpenAI but held onto his investments. He certainly has a financial interest in talking up the capability of his previous employer.

[Anonymous]

Here's a decent counter narrative:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/wheres-the-money/

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a decent counter narrative:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/wheres-the-money/

Awesome link, PP. The paradox is why tech companies are pushing AI so hard even though it's mostly a cost center. Google does it to protect their advantage in search. Same with others, its competition among the tech giants. We've entered a vicious circle, unfortunately.

From your link and totally true: "Putting aside the hype and bluster, OpenAI — as with all generative AI model developers — loses money on every single prompt and output. Its products do not scale like traditional software, in that the more users it gets, the more expensive its services are to run because its models are so compute-intensive."

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You'd see more revenue / users for their API being generated of this was a technology beig adopted by businesses. It's low or not disclosed because no one's actually using this tech for anything.