Do parents pay coaches…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was talking about this whole thread. Not just one comment. It either doesn’t happen, or the posters on this thread should expose it where it does. Otherwise this thread whole thread is just trolling. Or you all know it is trolling and you you get off on that, which is sad.

It's all a lie. If my kids coach was being paid off you better believe I'd let the club know about it. Yet all the people here say nothing! Come on.

Hahaha you know nothing...
1. Good coaches are harder to find then top players
2. Coaches running privates on the side over time translates into more players joining the club. More players means more money for the club owners

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

Typing this from Socal...

At the younger ages the way it goes is most top coaches from top clubs run private training sessions which happen outside of regular practices. The cost is $100 to $200 per hour and can be 1-3 players. This is how players from other clubs get on the teams. To directly pay what you do is schedule a private training session + pay for it, then they day before say you can't attend but tell the coach to keep the money. Before and after the private sessions parents buddy up with the coach.

I've also seen parents give coaches rounds of golf at private clubs + they go with them and chat the entire time. This puts the coach in a position where they feel obligated to play money bags kid.

Another common way parents control the team is 4-5 of them group up on decisions then call for a vote. These groups also try to go to other clubs as a package deal. If they can get enough top players in the group any coach will take them.

I'm sure there's more ways to pay coaches but I don't care anymore. Once you get to u14 top players will make themselves known independent of all the parent and coach nonsense.

Don’t forget the mediocre kid on an academy level team has a parent as the team manager.

Yes, but that is 100% opposite of paying the coaches. I am a TM, I work my but off for the parents, kids and club for free, that is not the same as paying money to the coach. Hell, on top of that, I have to cover for the parents who don't pay for their tournament fees on time or some times at all. And as far as my kid goes, being TM had zero influence of the coach on my kid...infact, I kinds think the coach doesn't like my kid. Parents, for some reason, seem to get jealous of the TM because they think we have some kind of insider take on coaching decisions... news flash, we are kept in the dark just like everyone else. If I want my kid to move up, looks like I'll have to standing in line with everyone else and pay for private training too!

Please. I know TM’s that spill the tea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

Typing this from Socal...

At the younger ages the way it goes is most top coaches from top clubs run private training sessions which happen outside of regular practices. The cost is $100 to $200 per hour and can be 1-3 players. This is how players from other clubs get on the teams. To directly pay what you do is schedule a private training session + pay for it, then they day before say you can't attend but tell the coach to keep the money. Before and after the private sessions parents buddy up with the coach.

I've also seen parents give coaches rounds of golf at private clubs + they go with them and chat the entire time. This puts the coach in a position where they feel obligated to play money bags kid.

Another common way parents control the team is 4-5 of them group up on decisions then call for a vote. These groups also try to go to other clubs as a package deal. If they can get enough top players in the group any coach will take them.

I'm sure there's more ways to pay coaches but I don't care anymore. Once you get to u14 top players will make themselves known independent of all the parent and coach nonsense.

Don’t forget the mediocre kid on an academy level team has a parent as the team manager.

Yes, but that is 100% opposite of paying the coaches. I am a TM, I work my but off for the parents, kids and club for free, that is not the same as paying money to the coach. Hell, on top of that, I have to cover for the parents who don't pay for their tournament fees on time or some times at all. And as far as my kid goes, being TM had zero influence of the coach on my kid...infact, I kinds think the coach doesn't like my kid. Parents, for some reason, seem to get jealous of the TM because they think we have some kind of insider take on coaching decisions... news flash, we are kept in the dark just like everyone else. If I want my kid to move up, looks like I'll have to standing in line with everyone else and pay for private training too!

Please. I know TM’s that spill the tea.

Our TM is nosey and wants to know everyone's business. She LOVES being the TM and loves having first hand access to the coach. Her son also plays every game and plays the whole game.

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So, no one can name a coach or team that does this. After numerous call outs. Case is closed. I get it, we all have questions about who starts and who plays the whole game. The coaches clearly have favorites. But, I suggest the coach is right and sees something you don’t, or it is a coach that is bad at evaluating talent. Plenty to go around on both sides. I don’t see why this needs to go to parents paying coaches. Unless someone can actually name a coach/place where this has happened. I thought not…

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Anonymous wrote:So, no one can name a coach or team that does this. After numerous call outs. Case is closed. I get it, we all have questions about who starts and who plays the whole game. The coaches clearly have favorites. But, I suggest the coach is right and sees something you don’t, or it is a coach that is bad at evaluating talent. Plenty to go around on both sides. I don’t see why this needs to go to parents paying coaches. Unless someone can actually name a coach/place where this has happened. I thought not…

Just wait, if you don't see it now great. But eventually you're going to run into it. The way it works is the higher competition level the easier it becomes for coaches to take some cash om the side. The is because the best teams have parents and players reaching out to play for that team all the time. This puts the coach in a situation where for most positions there's 5-6 players they could roster for each role. How do they decide which player makes the team? This is where the corruption starts. Maybe one of those players is doing private sessions with the coach. Maybe the parents donated a round of golf at an amazing private club. Maybe one of the parents has a private jet and likes to fly coaches to remote games. Or maybe one of the patents bluntly said " it's worth 10k cash for my kid to play on this team". See how it works? And this is just the start. Once parents figure out a coach is coin operated things like talent id's, minutes, positions, etc are all for sale. As long as the team keeps winning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, no one can name a coach or team that does this. After numerous call outs. Case is closed. I get it, we all have questions about who starts and who plays the whole game. The coaches clearly have favorites. But, I suggest the coach is right and sees something you don’t, or it is a coach that is bad at evaluating talent. Plenty to go around on both sides. I don’t see why this needs to go to parents paying coaches. Unless someone can actually name a coach/place where this has happened. I thought not…

Sounds like you are sweating, coach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

Typing this from Socal...

At the younger ages the way it goes is most top coaches from top clubs run private training sessions which happen outside of regular practices. The cost is $100 to $200 per hour and can be 1-3 players. This is how players from other clubs get on the teams. To directly pay what you do is schedule a private training session + pay for it, then they day before say you can't attend but tell the coach to keep the money. Before and after the private sessions parents buddy up with the coach.

I've also seen parents give coaches rounds of golf at private clubs + they go with them and chat the entire time. This puts the coach in a position where they feel obligated to play money bags kid.

Another common way parents control the team is 4-5 of them group up on decisions then call for a vote. These groups also try to go to other clubs as a package deal. If they can get enough top players in the group any coach will take them.

I'm sure there's more ways to pay coaches but I don't care anymore. Once you get to u14 top players will make themselves known independent of all the parent and coach nonsense.

Don’t forget the mediocre kid on an academy level team has a parent as the team manager.

Yes, but that is 100% opposite of paying the coaches. I am a TM, I work my but off for the parents, kids and club for free, that is not the same as paying money to the coach. Hell, on top of that, I have to cover for the parents who don't pay for their tournament fees on time or some times at all. And as far as my kid goes, being TM had zero influence of the coach on my kid...infact, I kinds think the coach doesn't like my kid. Parents, for some reason, seem to get jealous of the TM because they think we have some kind of insider take on coaching decisions... news flash, we are kept in the dark just like everyone else. If I want my kid to move up, looks like I'll have to standing in line with everyone else and pay for private training too!

Please. I know TM’s that spill the tea.

Our TM is nosey and wants to know everyone's business. She LOVES being the TM and loves having first hand access to the coach. Her son also plays every game and plays the whole game.

sounds like my daughter’s old tm. RESIST and move quietly lol. Swat noses if necessary

[Anonymous]

I’ll spill the tea—Alexandria is all about collecting 'donations.' It pretty much guarantees you a playing spot and a top spot on the coach’s pet list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll spill the tea—Alexandria is all about collecting 'donations.' It pretty much guarantees you a playing spot and a top spot on the coach’s pet list.

Oh yeah the pressure they send to families for donation is unreal.

[Anonymous]

Any club that has a chairty auction & Or allows coaches to private train kids on the roster is in the hard core pay to play biz.

FACT.

[Anonymous]

I would agree with this point. And this is not happening at the clubs we have been at (high level). Maybe it is at other clubs, and if it is, you should call it out and run from it. Because this is not the norm, nor is it acceptable.

[Anonymous]

Leave it alone. No one here gets the full insight on the assessments. Lots of conjecture

Anonymous wrote:…for top team selection and/or preferential treatment? It seems to be the only thing that makes sense with some of the u9-u12 teams my DC has played for over the years. It’s obvious to all the other parents that a kid should not be on a team or get reasonable minutes, so one conclusion could be that parents are paying on the side? Is this a thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:400-1000 per month for mins in games is common at top clubs on west coast.

It’s F in gross.

I was pretty shocked when chatting with a west coast parent and they asked what I pay in 'coach fees' per month... I was stumped (as parent and longtime coach), and told him I had never heard of the concept. He said it is how all of the coaches/clubs in his areas operate, you pay the club a standard fee (for the year) and then pay monthly fees to a coach... Pretty wild if you ask me.

Typing this from Socal...

At the younger ages the way it goes is most top coaches from top clubs run private training sessions which happen outside of regular practices. The cost is $100 to $200 per hour and can be 1-3 players. This is how players from other clubs get on the teams. To directly pay what you do is schedule a private training session + pay for it, then they day before say you can't attend but tell the coach to keep the money. Before and after the private sessions parents buddy up with the coach.

I've also seen parents give coaches rounds of golf at private clubs + they go with them and chat the entire time. This puts the coach in a position where they feel obligated to play money bags kid.

Another common way parents control the team is 4-5 of them group up on decisions then call for a vote. These groups also try to go to other clubs as a package deal. If they can get enough top players in the group any coach will take them.

I'm sure there's more ways to pay coaches but I don't care anymore. Once you get to u14 top players will make themselves known independent of all the parent and coach nonsense.

Don’t forget the mediocre kid on an academy level team has a parent as the team manager.

Yes, but that is 100% opposite of paying the coaches. I am a TM, I work my but off for the parents, kids and club for free, that is not the same as paying money to the coach. Hell, on top of that, I have to cover for the parents who don't pay for their tournament fees on time or some times at all. And as far as my kid goes, being TM had zero influence of the coach on my kid...infact, I kinds think the coach doesn't like my kid. Parents, for some reason, seem to get jealous of the TM because they think we have some kind of insider take on coaching decisions... news flash, we are kept in the dark just like everyone else. If I want my kid to move up, looks like I'll have to standing in line with everyone else and pay for private training too!

Please. I know TM’s that spill the tea.

Our TM thinks he’s a coach and gives his 2 cents constantly. He also has a thing against my kid- doesn’t think he should start/play as much as he does—always commenting on the sidelines. Putting a worm in the coach’s ear. Many of them are busy body dads. I think it’s more likely they are than not. And, yes, as a new parent I once took the job when nobody else would and it’s fairly thankless- but I never interceded or talked shop with the coach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any club that has a chairty auction & Or allows coaches to private train kids on the roster is in the hard core pay to play biz.

FACT.

You can believe that if it makes you feel better, but truly this isn't happening far and wide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll spill the tea—Alexandria is all about collecting 'donations.' It pretty much guarantees you a playing spot and a top spot on the coach’s pet list.

Oh yeah the pressure they send to families for donation is unreal.

We've been with Alexandria for years. I have never felt "pressure" to donate to the club. Their payment platform does make it easy, and they've always got an option at registration, for sure. They also send out lots of club wide emails about events and donations. But never have I had the impression playing time or a spot on a team was dependent on it. Maybe I'm missing something. Keep in mind, also, that this is a multi-million dollar non-profit that runs rec leagues, futsal leagues, offers scholarships, maintains fields, etc. It's not just your kid's team. You should expect them to try to raise money.