Insane acceptances

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Anonymous wrote:For parents asking about hooks, and especially athletic hooks, keep in mind that at least two hooks (athlete and legacy) are only applicable to one school. These people with multiple acceptances are not recruited athletes. Athletes by and large apply ED after having gone through athlete recruiting. If they're putting in multiple apps, they're not recruited athletes. Some who only just meet the academic requirements may put in some EA or RD apps for safety). No one is getting in all Ivies because they're an athlete. Same with legacy. Athletes may visit and talk to lots of schools (typically during junior year), but they don't shotgun applications. Rather, they get the benefit of a pre-read. They apply ED because they've committed. That also allows them to still apply RD if something goes wrong and admissions doesn't accept them in the end (for instance, if there is something in the full application that negates a positive pre-read (bad LORs, for instance).

So who are these people getting into all T20?

What I've seen, it's usually a very qualified URM. The very qualified non-URM typically land well, but don't have a laundry list of acceptances.

Agree, if in at all Ivies, almost always urm or first gen. Institutional priorities.

The kid (if it’s the one at my DC’s school) is not first gen. Has legacy at one of the very top schools on that long list of acceptances.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why private schools limit applications. So selfish to the other kids in the top 10%.

You know these kids can only enroll at one college each, right? They are taking up zero spots for other applicants? Who are they hurting, exactly?

Are you seriously suggesting strong candidates cast a smaller net for themselves because you don't understand how this works?

I think if the colleges provided a better understanding of whether a candidate would be accepted, this large net approach would be wolly unnecessary. Ie, what i suggested. A rank match system where a candidate would only be accepted to a single school

Yes, give both the students and the colleges fewer choices. That makes perfect sense.

Terrible idea that helps no one.

And how the heck can a college know who they will accept until they see the application?

You haven’t thought this through. And you are not the first.

How is it fewer choices? A student can only enroll at one college.

Do you really need that explained to you?

Applying to fewer = fewer choices.

Accepted to only one but not guaranteed any one means you have a high likelihood of being shut out.

Colleges see few applications and build less appropriate classes. Hey Harvard, you wanted that math whiz from Nevada? Sorry you’re getting another pianist from CT! Got three already? Too bad! You are assigned by some mythical rank!

I can’t believe you are seriously asking this.

If there was a better way to do this, that is the way it would be done. None of you knows anything about it.

Again, a student getting multiple acceptances can only marticulate one. Do you seriously not understand that? SO harvard might and probably will lose the math whiz to MIT

But the student has no guarantee they will be accepted to one. They are assigned by your mythical and unmanageable ranking system.

Do YOU seriously not understand this?

who says its mythical and unmanageable? That is how medical residency is done

Also, colleges need to build classes. All students are not replaceable parts.

Yet they will have multiple top schools accept the same student.....

This isn’t medical residency, that’s a bad analogy and you know that. And a lot of people are highly dissatisfied by that process. People PAY A LOT for college, they will not pay for one they don’t want.

Your dumb idea helps no one, and still results in kids enrolling in one college each, as they do now. It doesn’t magically make it easier to get in to an ivy. The process is still burdened with stress and decisions, just before the application process and not after.

It helps no one.

How bout this: We let kids apply where they would like to go, let the colleges accept who they want, and then let the kids and families decide where to attend and what they can pay. What a f’n novel idea! What is wrong with that?

I'm pretty sure that's not how the medical residency matching program works. You don't get stuck with some random residency that you have no interest in

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Anonymous wrote:DS has two friends who were rejected from their #1s, UVA, but each got accepted to an Ivy (Penn & Princeton). One was also rejected from each of his safety schools. The safeties! It makes no sense! How can you get accepted to Penn and rejected from UVA, W&M, JMU, and UMD??

Makes me wish I had pushed my son to apply to some ivies. He didn't have any desire in them, but his stats are only slightly less than the friend who got into Penn (unhooked) and about on-par with the friend who got into Princeton. And DS was accepted to UVA, which was his reach and #1. His gf was rejected from UVA, and she has much better stats than DS. His gf was applying for engineering and DS is going for biology for pre-med, though, so I know that also factors in.

I'm so glad DS is my last kid to go through the college acceptance process because I can't take the stress of another around. Cannot.Do.It!

UVA, W&M, JMU, and UMD know they're not interested in attending and would rather give the spot to someone who's likely to say yes.

This wasn't true at our private. UVA and W&M did not yield manage this cycle. They took the top5 in the class kind of kids who will almost all attend HYP.

This cycle is different.

They want to show merit in their acceptance poll and are ready to take a yield got to show merit instead of DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:These really make me support a cap of say 7-8 applications. Then kids/parents set realistic goals, admissions offices are not buried in applications and the “T25” can’t brag about rejecting 96 percent.

I read an article about a kid admitted to college in all 50 states. What a complete waste of time for so many …

Why should the cap be on the kids? How about having some kid of ranked match like medical residency, so kids only get into their highest preferred T20?

to elaborate, the kid can apply to all T20, but at best only their highest ranked school can accept them

Love this

It was meant to address exactly this sort of feast or famine combined with randomness.

And yet it addresses nothing, fixes nothing, improves nothing and reduces choices for both students and the colleges.

It addresses everything, fixed everything, improves everything and admissions suddenly make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has two friends who were rejected from their #1s, UVA, but each got accepted to an Ivy (Penn & Princeton). One was also rejected from each of his safety schools. The safeties! It makes no sense! How can you get accepted to Penn and rejected from UVA, W&M, JMU, and UMD??

Makes me wish I had pushed my son to apply to some ivies. He didn't have any desire in them, but his stats are only slightly less than the friend who got into Penn (unhooked) and about on-par with the friend who got into Princeton. And DS was accepted to UVA, which was his reach and #1. His gf was rejected from UVA, and she has much better stats than DS. His gf was applying for engineering and DS is going for biology for pre-med, though, so I know that also factors in.

I'm so glad DS is my last kid to go through the college acceptance process because I can't take the stress of another around. Cannot.Do.It!

UVA, W&M, JMU, and UMD know they're not interested in attending and would rather give the spot to someone who's likely to say yes.

They're selling themselves short if that's the case. I know at least a couple friends' DCs declined Ivies to attend there.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand the knee-jerk reaction that a kid is taking spots from someone else. But I know two near-perfect candidates (stats and ECs) who shot-gunned nearly every Ivy and Stanford as well as Northwestern/Vanderbilt tier schools, and in both cases were almost universally rejected, except for a single acceptance by a higher tier school (Stanford and Dartmouth, respectively) as well as Northwestern. My point being, if they hadn't cast such a wide net, they probably wouldn't have gotten in somewhere they wanted to go. The process is so insane today that you need to cover your bases.

A kid cannot really think "every ivy, Stanford, NU, and Vandy" are the "best schools for them" Those schooslare all so different.
And every kid that applies to 20+ schools like that is just driving down the acceptance rates at each school.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why private schools limit applications. So selfish to the other kids in the top 10%.

You know these kids can only enroll at one college each, right? They are taking up zero spots for other applicants? Who are they hurting, exactly?

Are you seriously suggesting strong candidates cast a smaller net for themselves because you don't understand how this works?

I think if the colleges provided a better understanding of whether a candidate would be accepted, this large net approach would be wolly unnecessary. Ie, what i suggested. A rank match system where a candidate would only be accepted to a single school

Yes, give both the students and the colleges fewer choices. That makes perfect sense.

Terrible idea that helps no one.

And how the heck can a college know who they will accept until they see the application?

You haven’t thought this through. And you are not the first.

How is it fewer choices? A student can only enroll at one college.

Do you really need that explained to you?

Applying to fewer = fewer choices.

Accepted to only one but not guaranteed any one means you have a high likelihood of being shut out.

Colleges see few applications and build less appropriate classes. Hey Harvard, you wanted that math whiz from Nevada? Sorry you’re getting another pianist from CT! Got three already? Too bad! You are assigned by some mythical rank!

I can’t believe you are seriously asking this.

If there was a better way to do this, that is the way it would be done. None of you knows anything about it.

Again, a student getting multiple acceptances can only marticulate one. Do you seriously not understand that? SO harvard might and probably will lose the math whiz to MIT

But the student has no guarantee they will be accepted to one. They are assigned by your mythical and unmanageable ranking system.

Do YOU seriously not understand this?

who says its mythical and unmanageable? That is how medical residency is done

Also, colleges need to build classes. All students are not replaceable parts.

Yet they will have multiple top schools accept the same student.....

This isn’t medical residency, that’s a bad analogy and you know that. And a lot of people are highly dissatisfied by that process. People PAY A LOT for college, they will not pay for one they don’t want.

Your dumb idea helps no one, and still results in kids enrolling in one college each, as they do now. It doesn’t magically make it easier to get in to an ivy. The process is still burdened with stress and decisions, just before the application process and not after.

It helps no one.

How bout this: We let kids apply where they would like to go, let the colleges accept who they want, and then let the kids and families decide where to attend and what they can pay. What a f’n novel idea! What is wrong with that?

I'm pretty sure that's not how the medical residency matching program works. You don't get stuck with some random residency that you have no interest in

+1

Also, doing a "match system" for undergrad is not a good idea and would be too much work to coordinate with that many applicants, not to mention stupid.
For medical residency, the students are all "highly qualified" as they are on the path to graduating Medical school when the Match happens.

You manage applications your self, find the schools that truly matter, and apply to plenty of real Targets and your kid will be fine.