More stock market carnage coming?! S&P futures down another 4.5%!

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Anonymous wrote:Only halfway through Orange Monday. Unbelievable. Republicans tank the economy, and the Democrats have to play grown-up later and fix the disaster.

And then when they can't magically fix everything instantly Republicans blame them and the media eats it up. If we ever manage to recover from this, just watch voters shot the country in the foot again.

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We’re going to be seeing lots of business failures, layoffs, and suicides. Trumpers deserve to rot in hell.

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Yes! Hard agree!

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Anonymous wrote:We need the retirement accounts because globalization killed defined benefit pensions. In addition to blue collar jobs.

No. What you need is...restraint. Who said pensions were a given? Who said, retirement accounts should be mostly invested in stonks?? There's a reason a 60/40 split of stocks/bonds was considered a balanced portfolio. Look at the 10y yield. It has not dropped this much, this fast for quite a while. It's doing the job of the Fed, causing rates to go down, without bowing at Powell's feet.

We've been living large on borrowed time and money for far too long. If the current events actually stick and cause "reality" to rear its head, we're looking at a lot of pain. And that pain is needed.

Ah! I recognize you! You are the small business owner who paid off their mortgage, barely invests in the market, and has no understanding of how economies work. You are embarrassing yourself with this talk about restraint. It’s like you live in a different metaverse where you are trying to out the globalization - the genie in the bottle back in.

No. I'm independently wealthy and a partner at a "Big 4" firm...in policy support. I may not be directly connected to the President (or Elon for that matter), but I'm in the room when these big policy decisions are being discussed.

Well I hope you get a haircut just like the rest of us. But you're probably poised to do some insider trading that you'll never get busted for.

Both statements are true. My portfolio will take a hit, just like anybody else, and yes, I do have access to non-public information. Regularly. Whether I choose to act on it or not...is complicated.

Let us know how that goes…

Admitting to access and intent to insider trade on a public forum is colossally stupid. Do you liberally add randoms to your Signal chats as well?

I may be giving too much credit to a Trumpy consultant, but even they aren't this stupid. Anyone who has worked partners at these firms know that they love rules, hate risk and lack imagination. My guess is this person mistakenly thinks this profile makes them sound impressive and gives them credibility. When in reality, they sound pathetic and dumb talking about "inside information."

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As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

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Anonymous wrote:As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

Yes and when the police negotiate with a bank robber that is also success. Or a terrorist. Lots of success. So much success. When are those gd penguins getting in line to pay off Orange S*itler and get their tariffs lifted.

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Anonymous wrote:As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

Yes and when the police negotiate with a bank robber that is also success. Or a terrorist. Lots of success. So much success. When are those gd penguins getting in line to pay off Orange S*itler and get their tariffs lifted.

So, when the US finally pushes back and gets Europe to the negotiating table, is that a bad thing?

For years, countries like Europe and China took advantage of one-sided trade deals and free access to US markets. Trump didn’t create that imbalance, he challenged it. Tariffs were a way to apply pressure and gain leverage, not to make friends.

Now that Europe is ready to negotiate, that’s not failure, that’s results. If he hadn’t taken action, they wouldn’t even be talking. Like it or not, Trump forced them to the table—and that’s what effective trade policy looks like.

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More than sticks it's about small biz. Devastation to them. Across the board. While arguing about stock health and timing, the small businesses absolutely cannot abide by margins to come. That's a game over 100% and that's the biggest driver of Econ.

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Anonymous wrote:As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

Yes and when the police negotiate with a bank robber that is also success. Or a terrorist. Lots of success. So much success. When are those gd penguins getting in line to pay off Orange S*itler and get their tariffs lifted.

So, when the US finally pushes back and gets Europe to the negotiating table, is that a bad thing?

For years, countries like Europe and China took advantage of one-sided trade deals and free access to US markets. Trump didn’t create that imbalance, he challenged it. Tariffs were a way to apply pressure and gain leverage, not to make friends.

Now that Europe is ready to negotiate, that’s not failure, that’s results. If he hadn’t taken action, they wouldn’t even be talking. Like it or not, Trump forced them to the table—and that’s what effective trade policy looks like.

Listen up - short term leverage is very different than stability in the long term. Nobody wants to partner with an Ahole they have no trust in. Also, there's already tariffs in place that's gonna hurt - prior to his crazy psycho tariff day. Lastly, small business is backbone of this country. No way they make profit on margins moving forward, and oh by the way whether anything favorable gets negotiated or not, prices on anything even US products will get higher because market will rise when there's no options for products and no US infrastructure to offer better prices to consumers.

He didn't actually base his tariffs on real tariff numbers but the trade deficits so I'm not even sure negotiations are legit as far as determining what's long term! It's a lot of volatility coming no matter how you slice and dice. Negotiating short term is not a victory!

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Anonymous wrote:As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

Europe is repeating the same free trade offer it's been making for years.

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Anonymous wrote:More than sticks it's about small biz. Devastation to them. Across the board. While arguing about stock health and timing, the small businesses absolutely cannot abide by margins to come. That's a game over 100% and that's the biggest driver of Econ.

I saw in the trade press today a small U.S. plant owner say that if he's forced to honor contract pricing without a tariff adjustment he's going to mail his client the keys to his plant.

Happy Monday!

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Anonymous wrote:As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

Europe is repeating the same free trade offer it's been making for years.

Yep he's going to get status quo or worse (likely worse) and the Republicans will likely fall in line praising him.

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Trump supporters don’t have 401Ks or 529s.

And that’s what they wanted. They didn’t want to do better for themselves, they just wanted to bring the others to their low level.

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Anonymous wrote:As per the cnn headline looks like its working "Europe says it is ‘ready to negotiate’ with US as stock markets tumble"

Yes and when the police negotiate with a bank robber that is also success. Or a terrorist. Lots of success. So much success. When are those gd penguins getting in line to pay off Orange S*itler and get their tariffs lifted.

So, when the US finally pushes back and gets Europe to the negotiating table, is that a bad thing?

For years, countries like Europe and China took advantage of one-sided trade deals and free access to US markets. Trump didn’t create that imbalance, he challenged it. Tariffs were a way to apply pressure and gain leverage, not to make friends.

Now that Europe is ready to negotiate, that’s not failure, that’s results. If he hadn’t taken action, they wouldn’t even be talking. Like it or not, Trump forced them to the table—and that’s what effective trade policy looks like.

They fool Papa Trump while brokering deals with each other.

I'm not sure but they may be happy to cut the U.S. influence