Did you miss when Trump announced this as the new immigration plan? Either join Trump's brownshirt army physically attacking Americans, or pay $5M for your Gold Card, or get shipped to a Salvadoran prison. |
Musk, who lives on the government teat, will declare your great aunt a criminal, and Attorney General Bondi will prosecute her as a terrorist, and Trump will put her on a plane to El Salvador. Promises made. Promises kept. |
The sooner they mess with SS, the faster the backlash will come. That's the GOOD news here. |
Well, w/o social security the Dickensian debtors prisons may come back with a vengeance. I hope not. (They still exist in some benign form.) I don’t think the U.S. would ever send senior citizen debtors to the notorious prison in El Salvador. But who knows in this day and age. |
You making the case for DOGE with your post. What is so incredibly complicated about SSA other than it is running on incredibly antiquated software and hardware? This is something Musk can actually help fix. What is harder to fix is that the program is going to become insolvent if it continues without changes. It is not going to get cancelled but the ss tax need to increase or benefits need to decrease. |
Musk can’t seem to make a safe car, a safe rocket, nor a safe brain implant. His X goes down at the drop of a DDoS hat. His lotto is move fast and break things. And you want to turn over the lifeline to millions of seniors to his merry band of overconfident idiot savants who don’t even know what COBOL is? GTFO. |
Oh... we're still doing the "blame Boomers for this mess" thing? I thought that had run its course, given all the male GenZers who helped elect Trump this time around. |
I think every sentence you wrote is factually incorrect. * Elon Musk can't fix anything because he's not a technical person. He buys other peoples intellectual property. His attempts to reengineer X have been disastrous. * SS is not going to become "insolvent". It's a pay-go system that also relies on a Trust Fund to make up for gaps when the demography is unfavorable. If the Trust Fund runs dry, 75% of payments can still be made based on current payroll taxes. That's not insolvent. Relatively small fixes to retirement age or income caps can restore the health of the Trust Fund if Congress were serious about helping. So stop with scare tactics. |
Yes, that is what insolvent means that you can’t pay the promised amount in full. What did you say, it can pay 75 percent of benefits? And you think a “relatively small fix” to retirement age is magically not the same thing as cutting benefits by 25 percent? Don’t pretend it is a small problem |
It takes money to do the massive computer upgrade SSA needs. Money that Congress— Dem and R controlled— haven’t allocated. So they just patch on a partial new system to manage anew workload or regulation or policy change as needed. Because that’s what they can afford. It’s 1970s and 2020 technology having to work together and held together with straws and chewing gum. And I wonder, what could be so complex about a system with all the financial and banking and work history and tax and birth and death and parentage and immigration and marriage information, etc, etc about every single American citizen and many permanent residents Americans, coming in from 50 states and abroad and from multiple federal agencies— and used to administer not just retirement, but survivors befits, spouses benefits, widows benefits, etc. Oh— and add on that half the agency’s workload is disability, which requires getting and reviewing medical for tens of millions of Americans that come from every medical provider in the country, from solo MD partitions who still handwrite notes and stick them in an envelope and mail them to megacorps who send in records electronically. 15 years ago, the disability files were all paper. Some still are. 5 years ago almost all retirement appeals were paper. They are just now being made electronic. And it requires documenting not just underlying eligibility for benefit which is complex in many cases, but financial entitlement for programs like SSI. The IRS, SBA, treasury, department of Ed, etc, etc they have some of the records. Musk is parked at SSA and pitching a temper tantrum because SSA has ALL THE RECORDS and receives them from the different programs at each department, plus all the different ways doctors, companies and people submit. For 350 million people. What could be complex about that? Plus, the underlying Regs are a beast. You work for a company your whole life, get a W2, get retirement. That’s easy. But, not everyone lives on W2 income. Not everyone is being paid on their own earning record. And making disability determinations is its own complex regulatory monster. It takes subject matter experts. You aren’t one if you think it’s just pressing a button for folks with well documented W2 income. Is there a common law marriage in the claimants state? Has parentage been proven? Has someone who is self employed earned a quarter of coverage? Does a 60 year old with an high school education and semi-skilled past work have transferrable skills with little or no vocational adjustment— working with a vocational database whose job list predates computers? Because if the don’t they anre disabled otherwise, they are. Easy easy lemon sqeasy, amirite? But to answer your question— the updates requires would be a massive expenditure. And Musk isn’t in the massive expenditure on SSA business. Neither is Congress. Until it breaks. Which it will. Because a patched together system will only work so long. Especially when you are pushing the people who understand it out the door. |
Yeah, we are blaming Boomers, because they are to blame. At least according to the AARP. https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-2024/election-analysis-older-voters.html |
Ohhh! You mean the white MAGA Trump-loving Boomers. Those Boomers! It’s wild that once America finally becomes “color-blind” the result is to castigate a whole generation for crap that has always been out of my personal — and even community— control. |
This is too many words for the average MAGA. MAGA, SS is like your trusty old truck Beulah that’s being held together with duct tape and salvage parts. Sure she ain’t pretty, but she’s paid off and reliable as long as you change the fluids regularly and keep the spark plugs clean, and you take care to turn the engine just so, and let her run for a few minutes before driving and accelerate carefully and engage the clutch just so. You know that if you respect her she’ll respect you. Now, Musk is the kid at the stealership fresh out of trade school promising he can make Beulah run like new again with his fancy diagnostic machine and a blank check. You trusting him with your old girl? Especially when his sales manager is actively selling your wife on a sedan? |
I’m not really sure who we should be blaming if not the people that overwhelmingly voted for this under the mistaken assumption that their entitled yet impoverished selves would be exempt. I recognize you may not be a part of that group but many of your peers are. |
Rather than just "having Musk fix it" how about putting out an RFP and let companies bid on the project, you know, the way a functonaing government actually works? Musk doesn't know crap. His rockets blow up, his cars fall apart or don't work in the winter...he is a total charleton. |