When do AMC 8 results come out? Should I push my dd to do better next year?

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The past two years the awards were announced around February 19/20.

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But sometimes pushing is just pushing and not at all effective parenting. Effective parenting is putting your kid in a lot of activities, following the kid's passions, helping the kid set their own goals, and then pushing the kid to take the steps necessary to achieve them. Effective parenting might also include putting a kid in outside enrichment if the subject is important to you.

Signing a kid up for a competition in an area in which they show little passion and lack a reasonable foundation, having the kid do somewhat poorly, and then deciding that you need to make the kid practice more and try harder without addressing the kid's interest or foundational knowledge isn't effective parenting. It's just pushing.

I hope OP takes all of this to heart. OP's kid is unlikely do do well next year on AMC 8 if she isn't getting some sort of outside foundation, whether it's through RSM, AoPS, her school's math club, the local math circle, or whatever. She's also unlikely to do well or practice effectively if she isn't especially interested in the math.

See my reply above. Maybe you have not met a student that shows no passion for anything. By the way, she doesn’t hate math at all. She just doesn’t know what she likes. She hasn’t been on any math clubs before 7th grade because her ES doesn’t offer any. She missed the deadline for tryout the mathcount team at her MS. So yes, the only thing we could do this year is to have her try amc 8. Well, if she should not try amc 8, according to the score distribution, you would conclude at least half of the kids should not try because they are not ready and they must be forced by their parents.

Honestly, I am surprised at the number of kids who take the AMCs because the low scores show that most are not prepared for them.

They are not a normal 8th graders did better math test. There is more to them, a lot more. There is a reason why math programs have classes for these exams.

I have a co-worker who graduated from MIT who told me you could easily tell the difference between this students who had been competition math strong and regular math strong, the thought process is different.

Honestly, I wasn’t aware students must prepare to take it. DC is strong enough in math that he regularly scores higher than most of his enriched peers in school. He felt like trying AMC8 for a challenge. What is the downside of doing it unprepped?

The only kids I know who take the AMC tests are the kids who are into math competitions. My kids school has not offered the AMC 8. He is at Carson and we had to find a different location for him because it wasn’t offered at the school. His ES did not offer the AMC 8 last year. I know some ES and MS offer the test.

I think it is great that your child wanted to try the AMC 8 for the challenge, that is why my kid does math competitions, he likes the more challenging problems. As in all things, you tend to do better when you prepare. Doing well in math in school is preparation and a solid math student in 8th grade should have the skills to do well on the exam. The problems are different and the timing is different but the fundamental concepts are, obviously, the same.

There is a difference in a kid who wants to try it because they are interested in seeing how they do and a kid who is taking it because their parent makes them take it. The kid who wants to try it is entering from a place curiosity and the kid who is being made to do it is not.

There are plenty of kids doing enrichment because the parents insist on it and some who are there because they want to be there. We know kids who were at RSM because their parents made them go. I suspect OPs kid is doing AoPS because OP thinks it is pushing her daughter to do well in or see her potential in math and less because the daughter wants to do AoPS. There are lots of kids in Algebra 1 in 7th grade who never did AoPS or RSM or mathnasium or Sylvan or any of that. And many of those kids do well in the class.

Carson didn't have AMC8 this year?
They've had it in recent years, and it's hugely, hugely popular. Carson is one the largest few AMC8 schools in the USA!

"Mrs. Angie Cahill, a math teacher on the Legacy team, said about 250-300 students participated from RCMS."



https://carsonchronicle.com/10994/recent-posts/students-prepare-for-math-competition/


https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/1bbb006

We were surprised. We checked with a few different people at the school and they said Carson was not hosting. He is in the Mathcounts club and heard nothing there. He took it at a location close to home, scored a 23 as a 7th grader.

AMC 8 requires a school official to run the contest. MathCounts club can be run by a parent.

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Qualifying for USAMO pretty much makes you a lock for MIT/Caltech/Carnegie Mellon.

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But sometimes pushing is just pushing and not at all effective parenting. Effective parenting is putting your kid in a lot of activities, following the kid's passions, helping the kid set their own goals, and then pushing the kid to take the steps necessary to achieve them. Effective parenting might also include putting a kid in outside enrichment if the subject is important to you.

Signing a kid up for a competition in an area in which they show little passion and lack a reasonable foundation, having the kid do somewhat poorly, and then deciding that you need to make the kid practice more and try harder without addressing the kid's interest or foundational knowledge isn't effective parenting. It's just pushing.

I hope OP takes all of this to heart. OP's kid is unlikely do do well next year on AMC 8 if she isn't getting some sort of outside foundation, whether it's through RSM, AoPS, her school's math club, the local math circle, or whatever. She's also unlikely to do well or practice effectively if she isn't especially interested in the math.

See my reply above. Maybe you have not met a student that shows no passion for anything. By the way, she doesn’t hate math at all. She just doesn’t know what she likes. She hasn’t been on any math clubs before 7th grade because her ES doesn’t offer any. She missed the deadline for tryout the mathcount team at her MS. So yes, the only thing we could do this year is to have her try amc 8. Well, if she should not try amc 8, according to the score distribution, you would conclude at least half of the kids should not try because they are not ready and they must be forced by their parents.

Honestly, I am surprised at the number of kids who take the AMCs because the low scores show that most are not prepared for them.

They are not a normal 8th graders did better math test. There is more to them, a lot more. There is a reason why math programs have classes for these exams.

I have a co-worker who graduated from MIT who told me you could easily tell the difference between this students who had been competition math strong and regular math strong, the thought process is different.

Honestly, I wasn’t aware students must prepare to take it. DC is strong enough in math that he regularly scores higher than most of his enriched peers in school. He felt like trying AMC8 for a challenge. What is the downside of doing it unprepped?

The only kids I know who take the AMC tests are the kids who are into math competitions. My kids school has not offered the AMC 8. He is at Carson and we had to find a different location for him because it wasn’t offered at the school. His ES did not offer the AMC 8 last year. I know some ES and MS offer the test.

I think it is great that your child wanted to try the AMC 8 for the challenge, that is why my kid does math competitions, he likes the more challenging problems. As in all things, you tend to do better when you prepare. Doing well in math in school is preparation and a solid math student in 8th grade should have the skills to do well on the exam. The problems are different and the timing is different but the fundamental concepts are, obviously, the same.

There is a difference in a kid who wants to try it because they are interested in seeing how they do and a kid who is taking it because their parent makes them take it. The kid who wants to try it is entering from a place curiosity and the kid who is being made to do it is not.

There are plenty of kids doing enrichment because the parents insist on it and some who are there because they want to be there. We know kids who were at RSM because their parents made them go. I suspect OPs kid is doing AoPS because OP thinks it is pushing her daughter to do well in or see her potential in math and less because the daughter wants to do AoPS. There are lots of kids in Algebra 1 in 7th grade who never did AoPS or RSM or mathnasium or Sylvan or any of that. And many of those kids do well in the class.

Carson didn't have AMC8 this year?
They've had it in recent years, and it's hugely, hugely popular. Carson is one the largest few AMC8 schools in the USA!

"Mrs. Angie Cahill, a math teacher on the Legacy team, said about 250-300 students participated from RCMS."



https://carsonchronicle.com/10994/recent-posts/students-prepare-for-math-competition/


https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/1bbb006

We were surprised. We checked with a few different people at the school and they said Carson was not hosting. He is in the Mathcounts club and heard nothing there. He took it at a location close to home, scored a 23 as a 7th grader.

AMC 8 requires a school official to run the contest. MathCounts club can be run by a parent.

This is the first year that I know of that the AMC 8 was not held at Carson. We checked with our kids Math Teacher and the MathCounts Coaches, figuring that they would know what Teacher was proctoring the AMC 8. It wasn’t a big deal, we went to the location that DS had taken it as a 6th grader and we knew we could take it at RSM if we wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Qualifying for USAMO pretty much makes you a lock for MIT/Caltech/Carnegie Mellon.

Not true. There are kids who qualify for the USAMO and do not get into MIT/Cal Tech or other Ivies.

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USAMO is 250 students, so, unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:Qualifying for USAMO pretty much makes you a lock for MIT/Caltech/Carnegie Mellon.

Not "a lock" but it is true that USAMO qualifiers (and the many, many more people with insignificantly slightly lower scores) tend to have the strong overall profiles that MIT/Caltech/CMU appreciate.

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are the AMC 8 results out? Where can we check the HR and DHR cutoffs?

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Anonymous wrote:are the AMC 8 results out? Where can we check the HR and DHR cutoffs?

Not out, but will be posted here when they are

https://maa.edvistas.com/eduview/report.aspx?view=1561&mode=6

https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AMC_historical_results?

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Anonymous wrote:are the AMC 8 results out? Where can we check the HR and DHR cutoffs?

Contact your proctor for your kids score. The HR and DHR has not been released yet.

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Still no award news for AMC8 yet?

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Anonymous wrote:are the AMC 8 results out? Where can we check the HR and DHR cutoffs?

Contact your proctor for your kids score. The HR and DHR has not been released yet.

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Awards have been released. Ask your completion manager.

Or don't, because the score is the only part that means anything, as little as it does.

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Anonymous wrote:Awards have been released. Ask your completion manager.

Or don't, because the score is the only part that means anything, as little as it does.

For many students, the primary motivation for participating in the AMC is the opportunity to deepen their understanding of mathematics. It's the journey not the destination, duh! The problems presented in the competition challenge participants to think critically and apply concepts in new ways, which can significantly enhance their problem-solving skills using math. The prep for the competition encourages intellectual growth and fosters a passion for learning math that extends beyond the competition itself. Winning the contest or not aside, the true value lies in the knowledge gained through preparation and participation.

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You should reconsider AOPS and AMC/AIME. If your child loves math, will work on a starred AOPS problem and think deeply about it until they get it then it is a fantastic program. It really isn't that great for students who are good in math, do well in math at school but don't adore math.

AOPS originally was a book students read and puzzled through without outside instruction like videos or a class. It is about being able to work through novel problems and then use that information to solve more problems that are related.That takes time. Way more time than direct instruction followed by practice problems until you have automaticity in the procedures.

To do well and get A's in high school math you don't have to spend the time going through AOPS. There are plenty of programs where you can directly learn and practice high school math in half the time as AOPS.

I have one child who has always loved math and would spend hours on AOPS, pause while thinking about a really hard problem and then will go walk the dog and thinks some more until the solution came to him. He did AOPS before there were online classes. In college now as a physics major and thinking about a minor in math.

My other two kids were good in math but it just wasn't their passion. They wanted to good grades so they were motivated to learn math a year or two ahead of what they were learning in school. So for example when they entered a class like Honor PreCalc or Honors Algebra 2, they had already taken a year of the class online not connected to their school. So the class was like a review so they had time to study higher level math.

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Anonymous wrote:Awards have been released.

So what was the cutoff for HR and DHR?