Kids are matching to test-required Ivies via Questbridge with SATs in the 1300s.

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Lots of applicants own restaurants and businesses and hide the money. I'm aware of quite a few. šŸ™
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Anonymous wrote:So I was on Instgram today and noticed some Questbridge posts in my feed. Looked at some hoping for good news stories as I wait for my non Questbridge kid’s results. Saw one who posted with tons of pictures from what looked like a lovely and fancy warm climate (palm trees and twinkly lights and a plaza of some sort). Of course I’m nosy and dig deeper. Lots of pics on her IG of her dressed stylishly, with her super cute stylishly dressed friends, in Europe, at college football games for a public college in Alabama, celebrating a birthday in NYC, with LV and Lulu bags. In short, this child does not look impoverished in any way and it makes me wonder how rigorous the Questbridge eligibility process is.

Before I get skewered, I don’t think that QB kids should be miserable or in ripped clothes or have a crap life. But this one feels over the top to me.


The system can be gamed and is by a few. I know kids whose parents were doctors in home country (so not qualified to be doctors here) and they came a few years ago and the dad did only cash employment in Queens, NY until kids graduated from HS so they could apply through QB and kids are at very good colleges. They used the same system to get lower income housing in NYC.


How good does a cash only job pay?


who would voluntarily want to live/be poor and live in lower income housing? I bet they had few other prospects.
Plus when you get to college, you are the "QB" kids. Everyone knows who the low income kids are. If you really aren't, it will hurt you socially.
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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is so disgusting and needs to stop. I understand you may be negatively impacted if you're low income. But what tf does first gen have anything to do with your underperformance? Should I complain about stars not aligning for me and then try to gain advantage?

A lot: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/05/18/first-generation-college-graduates-lag-behind-their-peers-on-key-economic-outcomes/


Not responsive to the question that was asked, which was about whether parent education is a factor independent of parent income.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I was on Instgram today and noticed some Questbridge posts in my feed. Looked at some hoping for good news stories as I wait for my non Questbridge kid’s results. Saw one who posted with tons of pictures from what looked like a lovely and fancy warm climate (palm trees and twinkly lights and a plaza of some sort). Of course I’m nosy and dig deeper. Lots of pics on her IG of her dressed stylishly, with her super cute stylishly dressed friends, in Europe, at college football games for a public college in Alabama, celebrating a birthday in NYC, with LV and Lulu bags. In short, this child does not look impoverished in any way and it makes me wonder how rigorous the Questbridge eligibility process is.

Before I get skewered, I don’t think that QB kids should be miserable or in ripped clothes or have a crap life. But this one feels over the top to me.


The system can be gamed and is by a few. I know kids whose parents were doctors in home country (so not qualified to be doctors here) and they came a few years ago and the dad did only cash employment in Queens, NY until kids graduated from HS so they could apply through QB and kids are at very good colleges. They used the same system to get lower income housing in NYC.


How good does a cash only job pay?


who would voluntarily want to live/be poor and live in lower income housing? I bet they had few other prospects.
Plus when you get to college, you are the "QB" kids. Everyone knows who the low income kids are. If you really aren't, it will hurt you socially.


In NYC, high income housing is as bad as low income housing.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I was on Instgram today and noticed some Questbridge posts in my feed. Looked at some hoping for good news stories as I wait for my non Questbridge kid’s results. Saw one who posted with tons of pictures from what looked like a lovely and fancy warm climate (palm trees and twinkly lights and a plaza of some sort). Of course I’m nosy and dig deeper. Lots of pics on her IG of her dressed stylishly, with her super cute stylishly dressed friends, in Europe, at college football games for a public college in Alabama, celebrating a birthday in NYC, with LV and Lulu bags. In short, this child does not look impoverished in any way and it makes me wonder how rigorous the Questbridge eligibility process is.

Before I get skewered, I don’t think that QB kids should be miserable or in ripped clothes or have a crap life. But this one feels over the top to me.


The system can be gamed and is by a few. I know kids whose parents were doctors in home country (so not qualified to be doctors here) and they came a few years ago and the dad did only cash employment in Queens, NY until kids graduated from HS so they could apply through QB and kids are at very good colleges. They used the same system to get lower income housing in NYC.

This seems like so much effort, especially because questbridge match rates are lower than the university's ED rates. Why would you become poor in a foreign country to do a worse admissions process for college?

You are saying Questbridge gives no ED advantage. Don't be silly. It is like applying to 12 prestigious schools ED at the same time; kid will get into one.

Kids with highly-educated parents - foreign born or not - are almost guaranteed to have successful kids in school; parental education is more important than income in this regard.

Long overdue for a Questbridge audit...the irony is a lot of these parents have filled out Visas with their educational credentials and are baldfaced lying.
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of applicants own restaurants and businesses and hide the money. I'm aware of quite a few. šŸ™


You do appreciate that is one of the worst businesses to own unless you create the next Chipotle (i.e., your idea becomes a chain of restaurants you can then franchise).

Most restaurant-owner children legitimately are QB-eligible because it's a horribly shitty business.
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't this just hidden affirmative action?


No, because QB demographics include white and Asian students. At my former university the majority of QB students were Asian, which I think is great.


How? Are they counting non-US degrees as no degree?



Unfortunately, yes.


Ooof. Totally violates the spirit.


The spirit is to win social brownie points while preserving a class of highly likely to be future donors.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lots of applicants own restaurants and businesses and hide the money. I'm aware of quite a few. šŸ™


You do appreciate that is one of the worst businesses to own unless you create the next Chipotle (i.e., your idea becomes a chain of restaurants you can then franchise).

Most restaurant-owner children legitimately are QB-eligible because it's a horribly shitty business.


Worse than parent being an employee at a restaurant?
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Anonymous wrote:ā€˜Twas ever thus. Even under test mandatory, the school doesn’t have to report the bottom 25% scores, and no Ivy has ever been close to 25% Questbridge scholars. Ivies also use that space for athletes, celebrity brats, etc.


What do you mean when you say a school pre-Covid did not ā€œhave to reportā€œ the bottom 25%? Of course they did. When they reported the range for the middle 50% that by definition also reported what the bottom 25% was. You’re an idiot.


When a school reports that its 25th percentile score is 1500, there is no way to tell from that data whether the lowest score at the school is 1400 or 1300 or 1100. That’s what I mean by they don’t have to report the bottom 25%.


Don't worry, most of us understood what you meant.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I was on Instgram today and noticed some Questbridge posts in my feed. Looked at some hoping for good news stories as I wait for my non Questbridge kid’s results. Saw one who posted with tons of pictures from what looked like a lovely and fancy warm climate (palm trees and twinkly lights and a plaza of some sort). Of course I’m nosy and dig deeper. Lots of pics on her IG of her dressed stylishly, with her super cute stylishly dressed friends, in Europe, at college football games for a public college in Alabama, celebrating a birthday in NYC, with LV and Lulu bags. In short, this child does not look impoverished in any way and it makes me wonder how rigorous the Questbridge eligibility process is.

Before I get skewered, I don’t think that QB kids should be miserable or in ripped clothes or have a crap life. But this one feels over the top to me.


The system can be gamed and is by a few. I know kids whose parents were doctors in home country (so not qualified to be doctors here) and they came a few years ago and the dad did only cash employment in Queens, NY until kids graduated from HS so they could apply through QB and kids are at very good colleges. They used the same system to get lower income housing in NYC.

This seems like so much effort, especially because questbridge match rates are lower than the university's ED rates. Why would you become poor in a foreign country to do a worse admissions process for college?

You are saying Questbridge gives no ED advantage. Don't be silly. It is like applying to 12 prestigious schools ED at the same time; kid will get into one.

Kids with highly-educated parents - foreign born or not - are almost guaranteed to have successful kids in school; parental education is more important than income in this regard.

Long overdue for a Questbridge audit...the irony is a lot of these parents have filled out Visas with their educational credentials and are baldfaced lying.


something i've noticed in my kid's HS college admissions results. The kids whose parents went to pedigreed schools, and have recognizable jobs end up in better-ranked colleges than kids whose parents went to state schools - even if they are professionals (doctors, realtors, small business owners).

It's almost like the parent's school pedigree is another + in the box.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lots of applicants own restaurants and businesses and hide the money. I'm aware of quite a few. šŸ™


You do appreciate that is one of the worst businesses to own unless you create the next Chipotle (i.e., your idea becomes a chain of restaurants you can then franchise).

Most restaurant-owner children legitimately are QB-eligible because it's a horribly shitty business.


Worse than parent being an employee at a restaurant?


Yes. I recall the economics of a relatively high-end "successful" restaurant where the owner was only taking home like $75k, yet some waiters were making $!50k+ with tips.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You wouldn't swap you life with 99% of Questbridge kids even if it meant getting into an Ivy. My kids would NOT have gotten anywhere near matching if they'd grown up poor.

Part of the reason I celebrated so joyously when mine got a t10 acceptance was because I also worked hard AF to support them from daycare-to-graduation.

Any kid who can do that in QB level poverty has my respect


+1000
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I heard about a student who got into a top school through QB. She lives in a huge house with parents, but her parents are divorced on paper, and her stay-at-home mom is her guardian, which allowed her to qualify as low-income for admission. This reflects the values or morals of some people.


Remember Varsity Blues? There are greedy people out there.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So I was on Instgram today and noticed some Questbridge posts in my feed. Looked at some hoping for good news stories as I wait for my non Questbridge kid’s results. Saw one who posted with tons of pictures from what looked like a lovely and fancy warm climate (palm trees and twinkly lights and a plaza of some sort). Of course I’m nosy and dig deeper. Lots of pics on her IG of her dressed stylishly, with her super cute stylishly dressed friends, in Europe, at college football games for a public college in Alabama, celebrating a birthday in NYC, with LV and Lulu bags. In short, this child does not look impoverished in any way and it makes me wonder how rigorous the Questbridge eligibility process is.

Before I get skewered, I don’t think that QB kids should be miserable or in ripped clothes or have a crap life. But this one feels over the top to me.


The system can be gamed and is by a few. I know kids whose parents were doctors in home country (so not qualified to be doctors here) and they came a few years ago and the dad did only cash employment in Queens, NY until kids graduated from HS so they could apply through QB and kids are at very good colleges. They used the same system to get lower income housing in NYC.


How good does a cash only job pay?


who would voluntarily want to live/be poor and live in lower income housing? I bet they had few other prospects.
Plus when you get to college, you are the "QB" kids. Everyone knows who the low income kids are. If you really aren't, it will hurt you socially.


Some of the new low income housing is now in good buildings with market rents. So your neighbor may be paying low rent while you are paying market rent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is so disgusting and needs to stop. I understand you may be negatively impacted if you're low income. But what tf does first gen have anything to do with your underperformance? Should I complain about stars not aligning for me and then try to gain advantage?

A lot: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/05/18/first-generation-college-graduates-lag-behind-their-peers-on-key-economic-outcomes/


Not responsive to the question that was asked, which was about whether parent education is a factor independent of parent income.

The colleges are just giving boost to first gen status with no data obviously. Not like this has been researched for decades .
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