Harvard Crimson Feeder Schools Exist

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody said Andover only had 4 Harvard admits last year when it’s been usually over 10.

FWIW, my kids are at a feeder school high on this list and we had less than half the usual apply to Harvard last year both cycles and this year REA. Apps to Yale, Princeton, Stanford and brown all up during same periods.

That's just because of the DEI and anti-semitism.
I expect both of those things to go away in the next couple of years.

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Anonymous wrote:I know someone who attended Andover. She has no relationship with her parents because they only saw each other on Facetime. She did get in to an Ivy so there's that.

And your point is … ?

Boarding schools bad?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard-Westlake had 14 go to Harvard last year. That's 5 percent of their graduating class.

That's extremely low considering how many children of celebrities go there.

A lot of celebrity kids aren't really that smart.

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of Harvard admits at HW are the children of legacies and, in some cases, very rich people. The children of celebrities are a small fraction of the number of kids who matriculate at Harvard (over 50 in the past five years).

So it's not the HW name, but the legacy/z list status

It's not the Andover name, it's the Z list and legacy status.

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In the early 2000s, there was a community college in Florida that was a feeder to Harvard for transfer students. They were all most foreign transfer students from Eastern Bloc countries.

I became friends with one of them and he introduced me to a few other that trod the same path.

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Anonymous wrote:How does a public school Range and Latin spend $34,000 per student?

It’s Cambridge Ringe and Latin and it is the public high school across the street from Harvard’s campus. It is full of Harvard professors’ kids, who are often very smart and do get an admissions bump from their
parent’s employer.

Thanks for providing zero information relevant to the question!

Harvard professor’s kids have no bearing on their budget and I wouldn’t assume professors kids go there.

Cambridge is the most diverse city in the state. The student teacher ratio at Cambridge Rindge and Latin is 10 to 1.

Within the school they have Rindge School of Technical Arts, they have an extension school. They also have technical programs within the school much like a community college. 40% of students don’t speak English as their first language. Many have parents who do not speak English. There is also a large group of refugees from places like Sudan and Afghanistan.

All of these plus many more reasons that require large budgets per student.

Is it one of the biggest feeder schools to Harvard?
I thought Cambridge Public Schools was not that well regarded.

Um, it's right there in the link at the top of this feed. Out of all the high schools in the country, Rindge and Latin is *fifth* in terms of number of students i has sent to Harvard in recent years. And it's the very top among non-magnet public schools.

But as another poster has mentioned, Harvard, like many other colleges, gives an admissions bump to kids from the surrounding town. As far as I'm aware, Lexington, Brookline, and Belmont High are all considered much better schools than CRLS. And I imagine that's reflected in how they do in admission to other super-selective colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Somebody said Andover only had 4 Harvard admits last year when it’s been usually over 10.

FWIW, my kids are at a feeder school high on this list and we had less than half the usual apply to Harvard last year both cycles and this year REA. Apps to Yale, Princeton, Stanford and brown all up during same periods.

That's just because of the DEI and anti-semitism.
I expect both of those things to go away in the next couple of years.

you expect anti-semitism to go away in the next couple of years?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of Harvard admits at HW are the children of legacies and, in some cases, very rich people. The children of celebrities are a small fraction of the number of kids who matriculate at Harvard (over 50 in the past five years).

So it's not the HW name, but the legacy/z list status

It's not the Andover name, it's the Z list and legacy status.

In some cases yes, but in many cases no.

Andover is an extraordinary school that has a long history of preparing kids really well for college. That goes a long way with admissions officers.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Andover.

Yes, kids there are very smart. No, of course they aren’t the only smart kids out there.

However, Andover is extremely rigorous. It’s basically a junior college. The preparation for college is therefore excellent.

Of course, there are also legacies and such, but don’t discount the importance of excellent preparation.

Andover selects students the same way as harvard. it is not a surprise that they send a lot of students there.

Wealthy legacies.
Top athletes in country club sports with decent academics.
Extremely intelligent students with no other hooks.

Combine that with the long history and relationship between the two as well as the geographic preference and it's not a surprise.

Yes, Andover provides great preparation for college but it's not really much better than the prep at any of the Big 3 in the DC area.

Look at the course of study at Andover and tell me any school in this area can touch it:

https://d2e3a5v56wj8r4.cloudfront.net/files/CourseOfStudy.pdf

Andover also has a renowned American Art museum and archeology museum. Students can study at those museums and do extensive research projects there.

Sorry — there’s just no comparison.

How does having an expensive art collection provide any meaningful advantage in preparing kids for college?

Can you point me to the part where they prepare students for college better than Sidwell/Georgetown Day/National Cathedral?

A lot top private schools offer curriculum that tries to mimic or takes inspiration from Andover. They focus on reading/writing skills way more than public schools and until relatively recently didn't really focus that much on STEM.

I went to Andover. We were able to use the Addison American Art Gallery and Peabody Museum on a regular basis to enhance the curriculum. It allowed us to do deeper research and hands-on analysis of art, history, etc. Some of us were even able to help curate exhibits.

It’s all part of what enables students at Andover to do rigorous work that goes well beyond a typical high school. It’s the rigor of that work that prepares kids well for college.

I would also say that when you say many private schools mimic or take inspiration from Andover, you’re kind of conceding the leadership role that Andover (and Exeter) play in prep schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Your odds aren't any better at these schools if you're not a faculty kid, legacy, athlete, or URM. Only exception might by in-state publics like Boston Latin and Lexington, but even then, you're competing against a lot of faculty/legacy kids. Just look at when GDS had crazy Harvard stats last year, but it turned out most were legacy. I know very smart folks who went to Andover and they ended up at schools like Barnard, Dartmouth, Bates, BC, etc. that they applied ED. The competition is fierce because 75% of the kids would have no trouble with Ivy academics and everyone is applying to the same colleges.

Dartmouth is now a letdown?

Didn’t mean it as a letdown, just showing it’s not easy to get HYPS and people go to a wide range of schools - actually quite a few end up at UMass Amherst every year at Andover nowadays.

7 out of a class of 300.

14 went to Yale
12 went to Harvard
9 went to Princeton

11.6% of the class to those 3 schools alone.

But sure — Andover’s college matriculation is weak these days.

Andover hasn’t sent everyone to the Ivy League in probably 40 years. But I challenge you to show me any high school that has stronger matriculation.

https://www.andover.edu/files/Profile20222023.pdf

If you're talking about just Harvard, Boston Latin does better.

If you're talking about just Princeton, then Princteon HS and Lawrenceville do better and Lawrenceville is probably competitive with Andover at HYPSM.

I don't have good visibility on Yale but I would bet Andover is the a top 3 feeder school to Yale.

If you want to include places like Stanford and MIT, then Andover slips.

But yeah, you're right, across HYPSM, Andover is probably the strongest but it's still like 10-20 of their class and a lot of that is boosted by legacy admissions and similar considerations.
And the difference between Andover and a place like TJ (before the change in admissions) is not huge.

In a typical year, Andover sends roughly 60-65 kids to the Ivy League.

By saying that only 10-20 kids go to HYPSM, it shows me you didn’t even read my post carefully. I included the HYP numbers, which was 35 kids.

In the class whose profile I posted, the numbers are:

Brown: 10
Columbia: 8
Cornell: 6
Dartmouth: 3
Harvard: 12
Penn: 7
Princeton: 3
Yale: 12

Total: 60

MIT: 7
Stanford: 11

Total: 18

Total Ivy + MIT and Stanford: 78, or 26% of the class

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None of DC's "big 3" are on that list hahahahha. Imagine paying over $60K per child for privates that feed into nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:None of DC's "big 3" are on that list hahahahha. Imagine paying over $60K per child for privates that feed into nothing.

that’s not actually true. They’re not in the top 21, but if you look at the Crimson infographic of feeder schools, you’ll see:

Whitman
NCS
Sidwell
GDS

There could be more, but looking at the word cloud is extremely difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:None of DC's "big 3" are on that list hahahahha. Imagine paying over $60K per child for privates that feed into nothing.

that’s not actually true. They’re not in the top 21, but if you look at the Crimson infographic of feeder schools, you’ll see:

Whitman
NCS
Sidwell
GDS

There could be more, but looking at the word cloud is extremely difficult.

Wanted to add that I saw Holton, Maret, Richard Montgomery, Blair, and St Andrew’s Episcopal too.

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Anonymous wrote:None of DC's "big 3" are on that list hahahahha. Imagine paying over $60K per child for privates that feed into nothing.

Imagine thinking that anything other than admission to Harvard is "nothing."

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Anonymous wrote:None of DC's "big 3" are on that list hahahahha. Imagine paying over $60K per child for privates that feed into nothing.

Imagine thinking that anything other than admission to Harvard is "nothing."

You’re right. UMD and AU aren’t nothing.