Is this a reasonable amount of spending money per month based on our income?

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Anonymous wrote:First, I don’t think OP’s numbers add up. Late 20s, you’re making 320 now but were likely making less than that in each preceding year. You have $1m saved? Your wife has expensive tastes and you’re going to do this hairbrained $24k scheme and still sock away money for saving for a house and tons of other personal savings? Does not add up. I think they’re getting family money. Or op brought a lot of money to the marriage that he saved before his wife leeched onto him.

Second, 1200 a month is bonkers. I’m another person in a very high hhi and both DH and o made seven figures each. We spend money on vacations and dinners out. I spend about $4000 a year on Botox and hair - which is super indulgent. But I’m old! I cannot think of other fun money stuff that would add up to another 10k a year. That’s a lot of clothes, purses and make up and dinners with friends. Your wife has a spend problem.

Last, I love how op quietly slipped in that most of the income is his. This is how it goes. Women with good incomes understand the value of money better. It’s always the low earning wives who are happy to spend their spouses money.


Do you go outside? Do you have hobbies? Sailing, skiing, cycling, backpacking, woodworking (or anything requiring tools), hunting, target shooting, archery, trail running, triathlons, marathons, kayaking, etc it all can get expensive real quick


Not $800 a month quick! Of course I have hobbies - woodworking is one, baking, needlework, biking, running. The combined sum of those is like $1000 a year


Many of those hobbies have high startup costs but become cheaper once you have what you need. If you’re younger and are just getting started it’ll cost more than if you’re older and bought the equipment many years ago. Also within a given hobby you can keep it low cost but there’s often a very wide range in quality and price, for example with cycling an entry level bike might be $1,000 and a high end one $10k+.

Just saying that some people might have a strong desire to spend a lot of on their hobbies and derive a high level of satisfaction from using quality expensive gear, even if it’s not a requirement to participate. $10-20k is easy to hit per year if you go hard in one or two specific hobbies. For some folks that’s worth it, maybe not for you. I personally don’t see the value of private school or vacation homes even if a lot of others do (I went to both high quality public and privates growing up. Not much difference in outcome in my experience).
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


Maybe. She told me she just spent $200 at Sephora. I don’t mind her purchase at all but just wanted to point out that $1200/mo doesn't go far if you have certain tastes. The inflation has made everything so expensive and things like a basic meal for two at a sit down restaurant cost about $100 give or take.


Yes, I exist in this world as well. So I know that there's no need to spend $200 at Sephora every month - you don't run out of makeup or skincare every single month. There was just a thread three pages long with people singing the praises of Trader Joe's dupes. And it doesn't matter how much money I have, I still don't believe in blowing it. Saving for emergencies is something I value, because I've seen enough of them.


+1

The Sephora/Makeup should be thought about and be a part of your budget. But in reality, you don't need to spend more than $500/year on makeup.

You need a fully funded emergency fund (6=9months) and save for having kids and purchasing a house. Don't get used to overspending on frivolous stuff, as kids are expensive.

IMO, $200-300/month of "spending money" is all you need. Anything beyond that you should be discussing and budgeting for.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here this is our current monthly budget

$2200 PITI
$575 groceries & consumables
$500 car & house maintenance
$300 subscriptions (incl gym membership)
$350 utilities
$450 transportation cost (mostly insurance & VA car tax)
$1000 vacation saving
$2400 personal spending

Total is $7775. Our take home is over $17k so it leaves us with almost 10k going into savings every month (more like 11-12k if you count pre tax 401k contributions and match + paying down mortgage principal).

Are we really going wrong here? Seems crazy how you could make double or more our income and barely enjoy any of it for yourself.


Yes you are really going wrong here. Start saving more to get to a good school district and realize that when you have a kid, it’s going to cost you $3k a month for daycare. Cut back now.


The thing is if we cut back to 600/person vs 1200/person it’s only going to be a difference of ~11k vs 10k/month in savings, I don’t feel like this is going to make a major impact a long time from now. We aren’t going to think when we’re 60 “thank god we saved that extra $1200”. My philosophy with money is take a balanced approach and spend to enjoy life now but also be responsible and save plenty for the future, I feel we’re doing that. I think people here are biased towards one extreme based on the responses. IMO it’s crazy to make 30-50k a month after taxes and think you can’t spent a little over 1k on yourself. What’s the point of working and making so much if you can’t have some nice things?

Of course, we are planning to reevaluate once we have kids and budget needs change. We won’t have as much time for ourselves anyway so hobbies are going to be reduced. We already have a good chunk saved for the new house as well as retirement savings. Current NW is 1M in late 20’s/early 30’s so we’ve been saving (mostly coming from me).


harder to "evaluate once you have kids" when you are already used to overspending. When daycare is $2.5K-3K/month and diapers are $300 and formula is $200, your 12K/month savings is now down to ~$8K. When you need a new car to fit the car seats, do you have a fund for that? And your insurance will go up (auto and health insurance). And new kids clothing and activities, in reality you will likely be down to $7K with just one kid.

Sure you can technically afford it now, but you need to budget and decide what you are really worth treating yourself to.
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Anonymous wrote:Is this a joke? What in the world could EACH of you spend 1200 per month on? I strongly suggest you save as much money as you can for the future while you are young. Careers and life are uncertain. A friend of mine who is in her 50s works for a company that was purchased by another company and was being pushed aside and treated poorly. She just woke up one day and decided to quit and told me that she was thankful she saved aggressively in her 20s, 30s, and 40s because it her gave her the flexibility to do something else or nothing at all.


THis 1000%. Save early and let compounding work for you. Save enough so that you can control your own life by 50. Don't want to have to work a job you hate in your 50s or 60s

Also, I'd much rather have that $1200/month spending money when I'm older---I "need" a monthly massage now much more than in my 30s.
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


Maybe. She told me she just spent $200 at Sephora. I don’t mind her purchase at all but just wanted to point out that $1200/mo doesn't go far if you have certain tastes. The inflation has made everything so expensive and things like a basic meal for two at a sit down restaurant cost about $100 give or take.


Yes, I exist in this world as well. So I know that there's no need to spend $200 at Sephora every month - you don't run out of makeup or skincare every single month. There was just a thread three pages long with people singing the praises of Trader Joe's dupes. And it doesn't matter how much money I have, I still don't believe in blowing it. Saving for emergencies is something I value, because I've seen enough of them.


+1

The Sephora/Makeup should be thought about and be a part of your budget. But in reality, you don't need to spend more than $500/year on makeup.

You need a fully funded emergency fund (6=9months) and save for having kids and purchasing a house. Don't get used to overspending on frivolous stuff, as kids are expensive.

IMO, $200-300/month of "spending money" is all you need. Anything beyond that you should be discussing and budgeting for.


They are budgeting for it. That is the whole point of OP's OP. It's just you don't like the budget they have decided on.
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


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Our income is twice yours and we give ourselves $600/mo. We save a ton and are close to paying off our mortgage on a $3M home. Our kids are older- 20, 17, 15, 10.


You make 640k and have a $3M house? Seems like a stretch to afford that. I would rather live in a 1M home and put the difference towards things like toys and experiences. The delta between a 1M and 3M house is probably 10-15k a month and you only give yourself $600/month each. That seems crazy to spend so much on a house while having such a barebones spending budget.


Yes, we bought the home 13 years ago for 1.2M. It's 3M now. We put 20% down and got a 15 yr fixed.

Do whatever you need to do for your finances, but don't just assume others have or have had the same circumstances as you. There is a wide range. Our bare bones spending has also allowed us to purchase 2 vacation homes and send our kids to private school. HHI is a bit higher than your assumptions too. Yes we are frugal. You know the type - drive subaru and wear non trendy clothes - boring. It works for us.


Subarus are not exactly cheap, paying for private school is literally the opposite of being frugal, and buying a house for $1.2 million puts you in a pretty exalted class of spenders. You may not wear nice clothes, but you are a spender, friend. You just spend on different things than others of us. I think OP's spending is fine - but we drive one 14 year old Kia Soul and bought our house for $330k. I know - you could NEVER. That's because you are spendy but on different things than we are spendy on.


YEs they "spend" but not on frivolous stuff.

They bought a home with a 15 year mortgage, that means they bought "less than they could afford". They now basically own the home. Choosing to spend on private school is a personal choice, but they chose to spend on that than Massages, nails, clothing, etc. Better return for money spent. Also Subarus are not luxury cars, they are good quality cars that last forever.

Basically they are frugal for their income level. They are likely mid to late 40s and basically own their home. not many can do that while sending kids to private schools.
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


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Our income is twice yours and we give ourselves $600/mo. We save a ton and are close to paying off our mortgage on a $3M home. Our kids are older- 20, 17, 15, 10.


You make 640k and have a $3M house? Seems like a stretch to afford that. I would rather live in a 1M home and put the difference towards things like toys and experiences. The delta between a 1M and 3M house is probably 10-15k a month and you only give yourself $600/month each. That seems crazy to spend so much on a house while having such a barebones spending budget.


Yes, we bought the home 13 years ago for 1.2M. It's 3M now. We put 20% down and got a 15 yr fixed.

Do whatever you need to do for your finances, but don't just assume others have or have had the same circumstances as you. There is a wide range. Our bare bones spending has also allowed us to purchase 2 vacation homes and send our kids to private school. HHI is a bit higher than your assumptions too. Yes we are frugal. You know the type - drive subaru and wear non trendy clothes - boring. It works for us.


Subarus are not exactly cheap, paying for private school is literally the opposite of being frugal, and buying a house for $1.2 million puts you in a pretty exalted class of spenders. You may not wear nice clothes, but you are a spender, friend. You just spend on different things than others of us. I think OP's spending is fine - but we drive one 14 year old Kia Soul and bought our house for $330k. I know - you could NEVER. That's because you are spendy but on different things than we are spendy on.


Yes, I'm spendy on appreciating assets. That's what makes people rich. Subaru require little maintenance and running 200k miles. Schools set kids up to launch and also help with emotional intelligence and values, etc. Homes grow in value if taken care of, so I'm frugal AND spendy.


Cars don't appreciate in value, friend. You wanted a luxury car but one that screams sensible instead of fancy. Private school isn't an appreciating investment no matter how you'd like to spin it. And that's great your house has gone up in value - ours has, too! It's really a wonderful thing to get into the real estate ladder at the right time - congrats for your good fortune and good timing. Spend however you like, that said! But looking down your nose at other people's luxuries while dismissing your own is silly.


The cost of owning a Subaru vs Kia for 14 years is about the same. Difference is with the Kia you will be spending more after year 5-6 on repairs, repairs, repairs.
Oh and the Subaru will have a good resale value at 150K+ miles.
I sold my Acura SUV 13 years old, 130K for over 25% of what I paid for it. And it had $3-5K of repairs needed (electrical issues and some dents). So in reality I got almost 30%+ of what I originally paid. Suburus will hold similar value. A 14 yo kia, not so much.

I agree with the PP, that owning a Subaru and paying off your home in 15 years is very different than just "random 1.2K+/month spending money".

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Anonymous wrote:OP here this is our current monthly budget

$2200 PITI
$575 groceries & consumables
$500 car & house maintenance
$300 subscriptions (incl gym membership)
$350 utilities
$450 transportation cost (mostly insurance & VA car tax)
$1000 vacation saving
$2400 personal spending

Total is $7775. Our take home is over $17k so it leaves us with almost 10k going into savings every month (more like 11-12k if you count pre tax 401k contributions and match + paying down mortgage principal).

Are we really going wrong here? Seems crazy how you could make double or more our income and barely enjoy any of it for yourself.


Yes you are really going wrong here. Start saving more to get to a good school district and realize that when you have a kid, it’s going to cost you $3k a month for daycare. Cut back now.


The thing is if we cut back to 600/person vs 1200/person it’s only going to be a difference of ~11k vs 10k/month in savings, I don’t feel like this is going to make a major impact a long time from now. We aren’t going to think when we’re 60 “thank god we saved that extra $1200”. My philosophy with money is take a balanced approach and spend to enjoy life now but also be responsible and save plenty for the future, I feel we’re doing that. I think people here are biased towards one extreme based on the responses. IMO it’s crazy to make 30-50k a month after taxes and think you can’t spent a little over 1k on yourself. What’s the point of working and making so much if you can’t have some nice things?

Of course, we are planning to reevaluate once we have kids and budget needs change. We won’t have as much time for ourselves anyway so hobbies are going to be reduced. We already have a good chunk saved for the new house as well as retirement savings. Current NW is 1M in late 20’s/early 30’s so we’ve been saving (mostly coming from me).


If you cut back in half, you would be saving an extra $1200/month. That's $14k per year. Keep investing that amount every year for 30 years. At a conservative 8% return, you would have an extra $1.9M in retirement.
Are you going to poopoo over $1.9M when you are 60?
Believe me, you are going to say "thank god we saved that extra $1200 every month".



Sure but you need to include what the OP would have if they saved “only” 10k a month for 30 years, which in your scenario is $13.5M. Now the difference at age 60 between $13.5M and $15.4M is not a lot.

The value in becoming rich is diminished if you have to wait until you’re a senior citizen to enjoy it. Once you hit a certain level of financial security and get “on track” to continue making a high income it’s silly to prioritize hoarding as much money as possible until you’re old when you can finally spend it.

What most are missing here with this focus on compound interest and wealth generation at all costs is the fact that your time left on this planet with a healthy and youthful body and the experiences you accumulate, in the end, is more important than how much money you end up with. It’s also silly to try to amass a huge pile to leave to your kids because chances are they won’t be grateful and will end up squandering it.


it is a LOT. It can allow you to retire 5-10 years earlier if desired.
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


Maybe. She told me she just spent $200 at Sephora. I don’t mind her purchase at all but just wanted to point out that $1200/mo doesn't go far if you have certain tastes. The inflation has made everything so expensive and things like a basic meal for two at a sit down restaurant cost about $100 give or take.


Yes, I exist in this world as well. So I know that there's no need to spend $200 at Sephora every month - you don't run out of makeup or skincare every single month. There was just a thread three pages long with people singing the praises of Trader Joe's dupes. And it doesn't matter how much money I have, I still don't believe in blowing it. Saving for emergencies is something I value, because I've seen enough of them.


+1

The Sephora/Makeup should be thought about and be a part of your budget. But in reality, you don't need to spend more than $500/year on makeup.

You need a fully funded emergency fund (6=9months) and save for having kids and purchasing a house. Don't get used to overspending on frivolous stuff, as kids are expensive.

IMO, $200-300/month of "spending money" is all you need. Anything beyond that you should be discussing and budgeting for.


They are budgeting for it. That is the whole point of OP's OP. It's just you don't like the budget they have decided on.


They do not have a complete budget. And yes, they can afford to spend if they really want. But they need to realize it will be challenging once they have kids. They will need to save for college, pay for daycare and kids expenses, etc. They can do whatever they want, but don't complain when they are 45 and cannot afford the college their kids want to attend, don't complain they cannot retire at 50/55. I'd much rather live less luxuriously in my 20s/30s and save for the future. This doesn't' require living frugally, but most in their 20s cannot justify $2400/month of "fun money".
my living within a reasonable budget in my 20s/30s means that I was UHNW by 50. And now I can spend whatever I want (within reason) in my 50s.
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


Maybe. She told me she just spent $200 at Sephora. I don’t mind her purchase at all but just wanted to point out that $1200/mo doesn't go far if you have certain tastes. The inflation has made everything so expensive and things like a basic meal for two at a sit down restaurant cost about $100 give or take.


Yes, I exist in this world as well. So I know that there's no need to spend $200 at Sephora every month - you don't run out of makeup or skincare every single month. There was just a thread three pages long with people singing the praises of Trader Joe's dupes. And it doesn't matter how much money I have, I still don't believe in blowing it. Saving for emergencies is something I value, because I've seen enough of them.


+1

The Sephora/Makeup should be thought about and be a part of your budget. But in reality, you don't need to spend more than $500/year on makeup.

You need a fully funded emergency fund (6=9months) and save for having kids and purchasing a house. Don't get used to overspending on frivolous stuff, as kids are expensive.

IMO, $200-300/month of "spending money" is all you need. Anything beyond that you should be discussing and budgeting for.


They are budgeting for it. That is the whole point of OP's OP. It's just you don't like the budget they have decided on.


They do not have a complete budget. And yes, they can afford to spend if they really want. But they need to realize it will be challenging once they have kids. They will need to save for college, pay for daycare and kids expenses, etc. They can do whatever they want, but don't complain when they are 45 and cannot afford the college their kids want to attend, don't complain they cannot retire at 50/55. I'd much rather live less luxuriously in my 20s/30s and save for the future. This doesn't' require living frugally, but most in their 20s cannot justify $2400/month of "fun money".
my living within a reasonable budget in my 20s/30s means that I was UHNW by 50. And now I can spend whatever I want (within reason) in my 50s.


They hit 1M on their own in their 20’s, that seems decent to me.
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It sounds like this includes restaurants? Food spending per month seems low
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Anonymous wrote:HHI is 320k. No debt except mortgage on a townhouse. Both our paychecks go into the same joint account.

I proposed to my wife that we each get $1200/month of personal spending money to go into our own bank accounts that we can spend judgement free. I think she’s okay with it but also wishes she could have more per month to blow on stuff. Is this too low? We have no kids yet but will start trying in the next year and are also aggressively saving for a down payment on another house.

This isn’t money for needs like bills, food, gym, or for shared wants like vacations, activities, or new stuff for the house. It doesn’t include gifts either, that would come from our joint account. It’s basically just an amount that we can individually spend on ourselves without needing to justify it to the other person.


Knock that down to $500 each and then make a plan on how to spend those two extra checks and bonuses if you are both on the 26 annual pay period schedule
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Anonymous wrote:HHI is 320k. No debt except mortgage on a townhouse. Both our paychecks go into the same joint account.

I proposed to my wife that we each get $1200/month of personal spending money to go into our own bank accounts that we can spend judgement free. I think she’s okay with it but also wishes she could have more per month to blow on stuff. Is this too low? We have no kids yet but will start trying in the next year and are also aggressively saving for a down payment on another house.

This isn’t money for needs like bills, food, gym, or for shared wants like vacations, activities, or new stuff for the house. It doesn’t include gifts either, that would come from our joint account. It’s basically just an amount that we can individually spend on ourselves without needing to justify it to the other person.


These two bolded statements of yours, OP, do not match up or even make sense.
This is your time to save, save, save since you do seem to want to purchase a SFH. Once you add a child into the mix, you will have wished you saved more. I guarantee you.
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Anonymous wrote:HHI is 320k. No debt except mortgage on a townhouse. Both our paychecks go into the same joint account.

I proposed to my wife that we each get $1200/month of personal spending money to go into our own bank accounts that we can spend judgement free. I think she’s okay with it but also wishes she could have more per month to blow on stuff. Is this too low? We have no kids yet but will start trying in the next year and are also aggressively saving for a down payment on another house.

This isn’t money for needs like bills, food, gym, or for shared wants like vacations, activities, or new stuff for the house. It doesn’t include gifts either, that would come from our joint account. It’s basically just an amount that we can individually spend on ourselves without needing to justify it to the other person.


These two bolded statements of yours, OP, do not match up or even make sense.
This is your time to save, save, save since you do seem to want to purchase a SFH. Once you add a child into the mix, you will have wished you saved more. I guarantee you.


This !!!!

Once you have to save $250K+ for each kid for college (min for instate) and pay 2-3K/kid monthly for daycare (and still plenty for before/after care until MS) you will wish you had started earlier
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Anonymous wrote:I think it's way too much. I think $600 a month would even be a bit much.


+1
Our income is twice yours and we give ourselves $600/mo. We save a ton and are close to paying off our mortgage on a $3M home. Our kids are older- 20, 17, 15, 10.


You make 640k and have a $3M house? Seems like a stretch to afford that. I would rather live in a 1M home and put the difference towards things like toys and experiences. The delta between a 1M and 3M house is probably 10-15k a month and you only give yourself $600/month each. That seems crazy to spend so much on a house while having such a barebones spending budget.


Now the difference is huge. Not so much when rates were at 2
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