This high school test retake policy is wild

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

[Anonymous]

My DS’ math teacher supports retakes because each unit sets a foundation for the next. If a student does not master the unit, they will do poorly on the next one. The goal of HS is to master the content, and it does not set the students up for failure in college - I have two college students right now, and they are doing really well in college because they had a solid foundation from HS.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS’ math teacher supports retakes because each unit sets a foundation for the next. If a student does not master the unit, they will do poorly on the next one. The goal of HS is to master the content, and it does not set the students up for failure in college - I have two college students right now, and they are doing really well in college because they had a solid foundation from HS.

That’s math. Other subjects don’t build on each other. For example, history. You don’t need to retake a test on Mesopotamia to do better in the next unit on Egypt.

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Has it changed? It used to be that the highest score you could get was an 80.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the policy. My kid jwho is a unior has an uw 4.0. She says she will retake anything below 93.5. She's a good student and if that makes her happy so be it. I like the determination.

Of course she has a 4.0! 😂
Aren’t you concerned she is unprepared for challenges ahead? It is very easy to retake a test. It’s not particularly difficult to do and it’s not a testament to grit.

Hey genius. She has a 4.0 uw and the policy just started this year. She couldn't do this before. I shared it to say she's a good student who cares about grades and will now use this policy to her advantage. Not afraid she's unprepared. She got those grades without a retake policy. It used to be only under 80 can retake and she's never gotten under 80. Also, I'm not sure what school your kids go to but at hers retakes require test corrections and then a retake. If it was so easy everyone would do it but 2 teachers on here said every kid doesn't. Try to keep up.

I posted above. I’m the mother of the college freshman dealing with actual consequences this year. I am extremely grateful she wasn’t crippled with this policy. You’ve already admitted that your DD is going to exploit this policy. So she’ll get a short term gain, but she won’t learn that she needs to do things properly the first and final time.

I’m also a teacher. Your daughter is causing a tremendous amount of extra work for already overtaxed teachers. I’m fully expecting this policy will drive more from the profession. Teachers lack the time to offer these unnecessary retests for A students, so this actually comes across as disrespectful.

So it’s lose - lose all around so you can get a couple more points on a test. And as for college admissions, colleges receive a summary sheet of district policies. They’ll know students’ As aren’t that authentic.

Also she never used retakes before. Not sure why people keep missing that. So she knows how to do well the fiest time. And now she will continue to do well the first time and then do even better the second. If she gets a 92 she aims for at least 93.5. Basically she want an A nothing less. It could be she never needs a retake but she will use it if she gets an A- or lower.

But she won’t get that opportunity in college. This sets her up for a rude awakening when her first grade has to actually stand. It is training her into bad habits, perhaps trying a bit less because she doesn’t NEED a strong A the first time. You don’t see it yet, but this isn’t a benefit. It’s a disservice.

And I also see you don’t care about the impact this has on teachers, many of whom already pull 65 hour weeks. Imagine the paperwork nightmare this is creating, and to what end?

The teachers lose.
The students lose.
FCPS’s reputation drops with colleges.

But isn’t it worth it, as long as it advances equity?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

About half the schools my kid applied to last year didn’t accept superscores. So yes, I was annoyed that she was sold an idea that colleges didn’t accept. Just because College Board decided to be lenient, that doesn’t mean colleges have to play along.

You may not see how this makes As less meaningful, but those in education do. That’s why some teachers (like me) are upset. Not only is it a colossal amount of extra work, but it is actually damaging to students because it can cause bad habits. My DD is in college with classes that either don’t accept late work or have harsh penalties for it. She is coping well, but there have been some bumps as she figured out that she doesn’t have the permissiveness and leniency of high school anymore. I’m glad she didn’t have this policy, because I fear her transition would have been much harder.

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

If a surgeon makes a mistake, it's generally too late for a retake.

If a truck driver makes a mistake and crashes into someone, it's generally too late for a retake.

If someone is caught committing a crime, it's generally too late for a "retake."

If a trial attorney does a poor job prosecuting or defending, it's generally too late for a do-over.

If a homeowner forgets to turn off the power before changing an outlet, it's generally too late for a re-do.

There are countless other examples to discredit your claim that in real life, you can retake almost everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has it changed? It used to be that the highest score you could get was an 80.

Yes. FCPS quietly changed the policy over the summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

If a surgeon makes a mistake, it's generally too late for a retake.

If a truck driver makes a mistake and crashes into someone, it's generally too late for a retake.

If someone is caught committing a crime, it's generally too late for a "retake."

If a trial attorney does a poor job prosecuting or defending, it's generally too late for a do-over.

If a homeowner forgets to turn off the power before changing an outlet, it's generally too late for a re-do.

There are countless other examples to discredit your claim that in real life, you can retake almost everything.

If a CrowdStrike engineer incompetently bungles a routine software update, it can (and did) cost the economy literally billions of dollars in just a few days:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mass-cyber-outage-airports-businesses-broadcasters-crowdstrike-rcna162664

Is July 2024 already forgotten entirely?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

It is your sort of mush-headed thinking which is lowering standards and leading the U.S. downhill, PP.

Let me guess: you are a Harris/Walz voter, amirite?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has it changed? It used to be that the highest score you could get was an 80.

Yes. FCPS quietly changed the policy over the summer.

I don’t know how people missed the change. It was in so many newsletters from FCPS and school communications and in every syllabus. Does the pp to read anything from their child’s school? I disagree with the policy but I knew about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

If a surgeon makes a mistake, it's generally too late for a retake.

If a truck driver makes a mistake and crashes into someone, it's generally too late for a retake.

If someone is caught committing a crime, it's generally too late for a "retake."

If a trial attorney does a poor job prosecuting or defending, it's generally too late for a do-over.

If a homeowner forgets to turn off the power before changing an outlet, it's generally too late for a re-do.

There are countless other examples to discredit your claim that in real life, you can retake almost everything.

I promise you the doctor, truck driver, and lawyer could take the LSAT, MCAT, bar exam, Boards, and drivera licensing multiple times. But keep being loud and wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

It is your sort of mush-headed thinking which is lowering standards and leading the U.S. downhill, PP.

Let me guess: you are a Harris/Walz voter, amirite?

And you're a racist MAG-got am I right?

[Anonymous]

Those of you letting your kids who already got an A do a retake to get a higher A should be ashamed of yourselves. I’m not a teacher but I know they are barely hanging on at this point. Adding to their grading burden for no valid reason is truly obnoxious behavior. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. Try teaching that to your kids instead of raising little grade grubbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to end retakes completely. It's an unfair demand on teachers and it makes GPAs meaningless.

Everyone on here crying about retakes are the same people who have their kids take the SAT/ACT 2+ times to improve and/or superscore. Is the score meaningless?

Now watch them twist themselves into knots to justify it.

I'm not anti-retakes, at least for certain grades. But I do think the policy of letting kids scoreup to 100% on retakes, rather than 80 or 90% is entirely unworkable for teachers and creates more anxiety and pressure and kids that will retake a low A just to get a higher A.

SAT/ACT should say you only get 1 chance but if you score below 1340 or 29 you can retake once, but only up to 1340 or 29.

Surely you can grasp the difference between a test kids take 2-3 times ever and that the testing body is paid for each time kids take it vs the constant year in year out dynamics of HS grades and the added work that pours onto teachers already overworked.

The arguments consist mostly of people saying a retake doesn't prepare the kids for the real world (which is false you can retake most anything), doesn't prepare them for college, creates bad habits, makes the A "meaningless," makes it harder to get into UVA and other coveted colleges, etc . . . no one complaining cares about the teachers, I assure you, except teachers.

Every single complaint can be said for repeated SAT/ACT and superscoring but never is.

If a surgeon makes a mistake, it's generally too late for a retake.

If a truck driver makes a mistake and crashes into someone, it's generally too late for a retake.

If someone is caught committing a crime, it's generally too late for a "retake."

If a trial attorney does a poor job prosecuting or defending, it's generally too late for a do-over.

If a homeowner forgets to turn off the power before changing an outlet, it's generally too late for a re-do.

There are countless other examples to discredit your claim that in real life, you can retake almost everything.

But you’re giving life and death consequences not someone filling out a piece of paper twice. You can’t compare those two things.