Scoop on Georgetown?

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GU is only 3-5% for EA. They don't reject anyone then though. If you aren't accepted, you get deferred.

They will take a HUGE amount of legacy in the early numbers. HUGE. Their legacy game is very, very strong and they count grad and law school and adult day students as legacy. Faculty kids are also in the early rounds.

It would up being a waste of an EA, prohibiting other private school EAs. They state there is no EA advantage.

The EA acceptances we saw from SCOIR had much lower GPAs and much, much lower test scores than the RD admits.

Yet Deacon claims otherwise: "Georgetown does not consider legacy status for early action applicants, according to Deacon. “We’ve always said that if you’re going to get any extra attention, such as a recruited athlete or a legacy, that that would all always happen at the regular decision so that early becomes truly an honors-on-entrance type of a pool, the top of our class, basically,” Deacon said."
https://thehoya.com/news/georgetown-admits-first-early-action-class-without-race-based-affirmative-action/

PP, you are 0-for-2, with rate and the legacy angle being very different from your post vs The Hoya article. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, what is your source of information? If you are referring to SCOIR, what state/area is your high school located in, being as specific or vague as you prefer?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Complete BS. Every single EA at our HS was legacy. And legacy with much lower stats. The data on SCOIR doesn't lie.

how many EA admits could your one school have possibly had that you think it's indicative of the entire cohort of EA admits?

SCOIR gives us 5 years of data...

right .. so that's maybe 15 kids out of 1000 kids admitted EA during those 5 years

To be fair, if that is all the EA kids admitted for 5 years early....and then others RD...it is telling who gets in at their school. It is very relevant. You will know if there are legacy at your school---you ain't getting in early even with much better stats. So--wait until RD if you don't want to throw away EA at other schools.

is they take 3 kids EA from your school, you're one of the top feeders into GU in the country

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Anonymous wrote:GU likes the NYC Jesuit schools if my kid's experience is any indication. Also privates in general. Less so publics. GU admissions office is a study in implicit bias; really stuck in the 80s. But that works for your kid if he's coming from either a NYC jesuit school or a known private.

DC Jesuit schools do well too. BUT--I don't fault them for supporting the Jesuit mission/education. They are a Jesuit institution. The kids share the values.

me neither, I was more pointing out the NYC jesuit schools over the world at large. ie a ton more kids from Fordham Prep/Regis than the Chicago or Boston jesuits, etc And yes, the DMV area jesuits. I literally think it's about relationships with individual high schools on some level. Which is very old school

Jesuit HS should get a bump. There aren't that many around the US. Why wouldn't they? Jesuit HS feed to Jesuit colleges. They are private institutions.

I think they should. So it's odd it seems to favor the NY schools over Boston or Chi Jesuit HSs

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Anonymous wrote:GU likes the NYC Jesuit schools if my kid's experience is any indication. Also privates in general. Less so publics. GU admissions office is a study in implicit bias; really stuck in the 80s. But that works for your kid if he's coming from either a NYC jesuit school or a known private.

DC Jesuit schools do well too. BUT--I don't fault them for supporting the Jesuit mission/education. They are a Jesuit institution. The kids share the values.

me neither, I was more pointing out the NYC jesuit schools over the world at large. ie a ton more kids from Fordham Prep/Regis than the Chicago or Boston jesuits, etc And yes, the DMV area jesuits. I literally think it's about relationships with individual high schools on some level. Which is very old school

Jesuit HS should get a bump. There aren't that many around the US. Why wouldn't they? Jesuit HS feed to Jesuit colleges. They are private institutions.

DP. Makes sense to me. However, my older kid attended a Jesuit high school not on the east or west coasts, and while my older kid did not apply, from Naviance it looks like a Georgetown admit seemed particularly tough. Maybe they had more applicants, as a Jesuit school, I don't know. My senior who is applying this year attends a public magnet; we'll see.

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I’m not sure a kid interested in sociology would love GU’s intense pre-professional, wealth-first vibe—or its very frat-like “student athlete” culture. For IR it would be worth it.

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GU is only 3-5% for EA. They don't reject anyone then though. If you aren't accepted, you get deferred.

They will take a HUGE amount of legacy in the early numbers. HUGE. Their legacy game is very, very strong and they count grad and law school and adult day students as legacy. Faculty kids are also in the early rounds.

It would up being a waste of an EA, prohibiting other private school EAs. They state there is no EA advantage.

The EA acceptances we saw from SCOIR had much lower GPAs and much, much lower test scores than the RD admits.

Yet Deacon claims otherwise: "Georgetown does not consider legacy status for early action applicants, according to Deacon. “We’ve always said that if you’re going to get any extra attention, such as a recruited athlete or a legacy, that that would all always happen at the regular decision so that early becomes truly an honors-on-entrance type of a pool, the top of our class, basically,” Deacon said."
https://thehoya.com/news/georgetown-admits-first-early-action-class-without-race-based-affirmative-action/

PP, you are 0-for-2, with rate and the legacy angle being very different from your post vs The Hoya article. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, what is your source of information? If you are referring to SCOIR, what state/area is your high school located in, being as specific or vague as you prefer?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Complete BS. Every single EA at our HS was legacy. And legacy with much lower stats. The data on SCOIR doesn't lie.

how many EA admits could your one school have possibly had that you think it's indicative of the entire cohort of EA admits?

SCOIR gives us 5 years of data...

right .. so that's maybe 15 kids out of 1000 kids admitted EA during those 5 years

To be fair, if that is all the EA kids admitted for 5 years early....and then others RD...it is telling who gets in at their school. It is very relevant. You will know if there are legacy at your school---you ain't getting in early even with much better stats. So--wait until RD if you don't want to throw away EA at other schools.

is they take 3 kids EA from your school, you're one of the top feeders into GU in the country

I don’t think that’s right. Dp, a small, academically rigorous private in the MidAtlantic area. Georgetown acceptance rate is April d30 percent for our school. So 2 to 4 students a year attend. I don’t think we would qualify as their biggest feeder.

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GU is only 3-5% for EA. They don't reject anyone then though. If you aren't accepted, you get deferred.

They will take a HUGE amount of legacy in the early numbers. HUGE. Their legacy game is very, very strong and they count grad and law school and adult day students as legacy. Faculty kids are also in the early rounds.

It would up being a waste of an EA, prohibiting other private school EAs. They state there is no EA advantage.

The EA acceptances we saw from SCOIR had much lower GPAs and much, much lower test scores than the RD admits.

Yet Deacon claims otherwise: "Georgetown does not consider legacy status for early action applicants, according to Deacon. “We’ve always said that if you’re going to get any extra attention, such as a recruited athlete or a legacy, that that would all always happen at the regular decision so that early becomes truly an honors-on-entrance type of a pool, the top of our class, basically,” Deacon said."
https://thehoya.com/news/georgetown-admits-first-early-action-class-without-race-based-affirmative-action/

PP, you are 0-for-2, with rate and the legacy angle being very different from your post vs The Hoya article. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, what is your source of information? If you are referring to SCOIR, what state/area is your high school located in, being as specific or vague as you prefer?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Complete BS. Every single EA at our HS was legacy. And legacy with much lower stats. The data on SCOIR doesn't lie.

how many EA admits could your one school have possibly had that you think it's indicative of the entire cohort of EA admits?

SCOIR gives us 5 years of data...

right .. so that's maybe 15 kids out of 1000 kids admitted EA during those 5 years

To be fair, if that is all the EA kids admitted for 5 years early....and then others RD...it is telling who gets in at their school. It is very relevant. You will know if there are legacy at your school---you ain't getting in early even with much better stats. So--wait until RD if you don't want to throw away EA at other schools.

is they take 3 kids EA from your school, you're one of the top feeders into GU in the country

I don’t think that’s right. Dp, a small, academically rigorous private in the MidAtlantic area. Georgetown acceptance rate is April d30 percent for our school. So 2 to 4 students a year attend. I don’t think we would qualify as their biggest feeder.

Should be “about 30 percent”

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GU is only 3-5% for EA. They don't reject anyone then though. If you aren't accepted, you get deferred.

They will take a HUGE amount of legacy in the early numbers. HUGE. Their legacy game is very, very strong and they count grad and law school and adult day students as legacy. Faculty kids are also in the early rounds.

It would up being a waste of an EA, prohibiting other private school EAs. They state there is no EA advantage.

The EA acceptances we saw from SCOIR had much lower GPAs and much, much lower test scores than the RD admits.

Yet Deacon claims otherwise: "Georgetown does not consider legacy status for early action applicants, according to Deacon. “We’ve always said that if you’re going to get any extra attention, such as a recruited athlete or a legacy, that that would all always happen at the regular decision so that early becomes truly an honors-on-entrance type of a pool, the top of our class, basically,” Deacon said."
https://thehoya.com/news/georgetown-admits-first-early-action-class-without-race-based-affirmative-action/

PP, you are 0-for-2, with rate and the legacy angle being very different from your post vs The Hoya article. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, what is your source of information? If you are referring to SCOIR, what state/area is your high school located in, being as specific or vague as you prefer?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Complete BS. Every single EA at our HS was legacy. And legacy with much lower stats. The data on SCOIR doesn't lie.

how many EA admits could your one school have possibly had that you think it's indicative of the entire cohort of EA admits?

SCOIR gives us 5 years of data...

right .. so that's maybe 15 kids out of 1000 kids admitted EA during those 5 years

To be fair, if that is all the EA kids admitted for 5 years early....and then others RD...it is telling who gets in at their school. It is very relevant. You will know if there are legacy at your school---you ain't getting in early even with much better stats. So--wait until RD if you don't want to throw away EA at other schools.

is they take 3 kids EA from your school, you're one of the top feeders into GU in the country

I don’t think that’s right. Dp, a small, academically rigorous private in the MidAtlantic area. Georgetown acceptance rate is April d30 percent for our school. So 2 to 4 students a year attend. I don’t think we would qualify as their biggest feeder.

Should be “about 30 percent”

3 kids EA is different than 2-4 kids during EA/RD both.

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Anonymous wrote:Be aware that once admitted, GU is very competitive. It’s super competitive to get into clubs, hard to get a seat in the library and difficult to get into the dining hall, particularly during peak times (crappy, overpriced food notwithstanding). The admin limits the number of As per class so the culture is typically not collaborative. DS has had a good experience in SFS but likely would have gone elsewhere had he known about these issues.

+1 It's cutthroat

My kid also picked up on this vibe on admitted student day and when talking with the student ambassadors.

DP. We got a different vibe on tour. It did not seem any more competitive than anywhere else, from what the tour guide said.

As a current parent, I can tell you that it’s hyper competitive when compared to my other children’s schools (a top-rated SLAC and an Ivy). We, too, did not get that vibe on the tour. Unfortunately, the tour is not reality. Just make sure your student is aware so that an informed choice is made.

Is this specific to a certain school like SFS or business ?

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Anonymous wrote:Be aware that once admitted, GU is very competitive. It’s super competitive to get into clubs, hard to get a seat in the library and difficult to get into the dining hall, particularly during peak times (crappy, overpriced food notwithstanding). The admin limits the number of As per class so the culture is typically not collaborative. DS has had a good experience in SFS but likely would have gone elsewhere had he known about these issues.

+1 It's cutthroat

My kid also picked up on this vibe on admitted student day and when talking with the student ambassadors.

DP. We got a different vibe on tour. It did not seem any more competitive than anywhere else, from what the tour guide said.

As a current parent, I can tell you that it’s hyper competitive when compared to my other children’s schools (a top-rated SLAC and an Ivy). We, too, did not get that vibe on the tour. Unfortunately, the tour is not reality. Just make sure your student is aware so that an informed choice is made.

Is this specific to a certain school like SFS or business ?

The grading rules limiting the number of As are enforced across all the schools. Profs can apply for exceptions but the hurdles are not insubstantial. This system really encourages cutthroat behavior across the board. And, it carries through to social activities, particularly clubs.

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I also have a kid at Georgetown and another at an Ivy. I would say the level of competitiveness is similar.
Certain clubs at Georgetown are very competitive. Might be best not to go after those, in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure a kid interested in sociology would love GU’s intense pre-professional, wealth-first vibe—or its very frat-like “student athlete” culture. For IR it would be worth it.

I disagree with Georgetown being frat like. There are no frats and party culture is pretty par for the course for most colleges.

I do agree with the pre-professional vibe, and think a sociology major would be happier elsewhere. Georgetown is best for kids who have a very clear sense that they want to work in government, law, NGOs, business, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a great school, especially for social sciences. The only caveat is that the physical infrastructure is very poorly maintained. You may not see this as an issue since you’re from NYC, but families of rats living just outside the dorms points to a level of resource mismanagement that we don’t see on our own kids’ urban campuses. While I’m not surprised that the campus contends with common urban problems, it’s telling (and gross) that they feel no responsibility to even try to find solutions.

The school can't combat this on it's own when the city of DC doesn't help manage rat population in the Georgetown area (outside of campus). There are rats running every one of those streets at night. Charles Village in Baltimore has the same problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to say - our DC is happy there. Accepted RD and from a school that GU seems to be very happy with.

Add BC to your list for midsize school that isn't frat heavy. It'll be more social and have better fan sports experience but is slightly less pointy elbowed. But education is still great and Boston is too.

If you want more the pointy feel for classmates - then Tufts for Boston - but kids seem less happy there than either Georgetown or BC.

And Johns Hopkins in Baltimore is midsized without fratty but clearly a rough admit.

Smaller town consider William and Mary - which is excellent for social sciences.

Greek life is actually quite popular at Hopkins. 30 to 40 percent participation rate.

Greek life at Hopkins is a different animal than what most people consider to be Greek life.

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Anonymous wrote:Not frat heavy means kids use fake ids to go to bars. Which is fine, but it doesn’t mean less drinking.

Not for kids that don't like greek life and non-drinking culture.... Yes, both types exist at Georgetown (and at any school) but there will be peers who aren't into that culture too.

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Anonymous wrote:"If it’s your kids first choice, no reason not to go for it, but I don’t think this logic is correct. If they know they usually get higher stat kids from your high school, they likely will just defer your kid to RD to see the full pool from your school. But one never knows what will happen."

^^ this is very true.

What ends up happening is it can backfire. They tick off these kids and they end up choosing T10 and T15 schools because of it. They really should just take the most qualified early rounds...otherwise, these kids head to Ivies, Duke, Hopkins, etc.

Sure - but let's be honest - Georgetown is not hurting for top level students choosing to attend.