Listening Sessions - Montgomery County Attainable Housing

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Anonymous wrote:The public feedback is making the YImBYs nervous, keep it up people.

Let the council members know how this affects your vote in 2024, 2026, and beyond.

Either you don't live in Maryland, or you don't know how elections in Maryland work.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

How do you define walkable if Pike and Rose and Kentlands don't count? Sincere question. Both of them have a variety of housing types with walkable amenities.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

How do you define walkable if Pike and Rose and Kentlands don't count? Sincere question. Both of them have a variety of housing types with walkable amenities.

Kentlands counts. Pike and Rose is basically 3 blocks by 3 blocks. Is it possible to walk in this 9 block area? Yes, it would be super problematic if it weren't possible to walk in such a tiny area. In fact, I recommend walking, because the traffic in Pike and Rose is terrible. Also, Pike and Rose does not have a variety of housing types - not surprising, given its tiny area.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

S
Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

So let me get this straight - you want to make MoCo for walkable for all 1.1 million people? Why not bring the business to the people then? rather than focus on housing near business (impossible for all 1.1) how about business near housing? You could have the country but up housing and build business throughout, if this is a value of yours. Or loosen business licenses.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

How do you define walkable if Pike and Rose and Kentlands don't count? Sincere question. Both of them have a variety of housing types with walkable amenities.

Kentlands counts. Pike and Rose is basically 3 blocks by 3 blocks. Is it possible to walk in this 9 block area? Yes, it would be super problematic if it weren't possible to walk in such a tiny area. In fact, I recommend walking, because the traffic in Pike and Rose is terrible. Also, Pike and Rose does not have a variety of housing types - not surprising, given its tiny area.

Sorry, I meant the greater area where Pike and Rose sits on 355. It has a variety of walkable amenities, transit, and there are single family homes in the neighborhood directly behind it. Yes, 355 could be better, but the area still counts as walkable.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

How do you define walkable if Pike and Rose and Kentlands don't count? Sincere question. Both of them have a variety of housing types with walkable amenities.

Kentlands counts. Pike and Rose is basically 3 blocks by 3 blocks. Is it possible to walk in this 9 block area? Yes, it would be super problematic if it weren't possible to walk in such a tiny area. In fact, I recommend walking, because the traffic in Pike and Rose is terrible. Also, Pike and Rose does not have a variety of housing types - not surprising, given its tiny area.

Sorry, I meant the greater area where Pike and Rose sits on 355. It has a variety of walkable amenities, transit, and there are single family homes in the neighborhood directly behind it. Yes, 355 could be better, but the area still counts as walkable.

I guess it's walkable, in the sense that you can walk. I don't think many people enjoy walking along or across 355, though. Or Montrose Parkway. I certainly don't.

By that definition, the Hillandale area is walkable, and so is Takoma Langley. More places where plenty of people do walk, but walking is miserable and also dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

S
Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

So let me get this straight - you want to make MoCo for walkable for all 1.1 million people? Why not bring the business to the people then? rather than focus on housing near business (impossible for all 1.1) how about business near housing? You could have the country but up housing and build business throughout, if this is a value of yours. Or loosen business licenses.

No, I didn't say that. This is an example of the very-on-line discourse where Person A says "I think there should be more waffle places" and Person B responds "So you want to force everyone to eat nothing but waffles 24/7/365, don't you?"

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It's the suburbs, idiots. If you want walkabity, go move to DC, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, or Boston. People move to the suburbs specifically because there is more space. Stop trying to ruin the burbs by bringing your idiotic urbanist mindset out here.

How about we move to the city and demand they tear down apartment complexes to build SFHs? That's the same thing but in reverse.

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Anonymous wrote:OP thank you for the info. I’m on county council distribution lists but I did not get this notice.

One comment I will make is that they need to reduce my property taxes for bringing us zoning that will lower my property value tremendously.

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Don’t worry if that happens (and it probably will cause your valuation to increase) then they’ll raise the rate so that you still pay more. If your valuation goes up, they’ll keep the rate the same or raise it less.

WTH are you talking about?

An apartment building next door WILL NOT INCREASE MY HOME'S VALUE. They'll keep the rate the same or raise it less? In what MoCo World do you live? They will never keep it the same. They will destroy the quality of life in MoCo and raise my property value until I say screw it and move to another state. They view that as winning because they are only concerned about their own careers which involve getting cash donations from developers and realtors.

You must not be tracking the price of houses in East Bethesda near Wisconsin Avenue very closely. When more people move in you get more stores and transit within walking distance because there are suddenly more customers for these things.

You are just talking to hear yourself talk. Building apt buildings within the SF neighborhood hasn't started yet. Once you've got a quadplex next door, your house is not as desirable. SFHs with view of apt buildings have lower appraisals. Full stop.

And yet houses in walkable neighborhoods sell for more than houses in non-walkable neighborhoods and usually have multiple offers. Go figure.

Can you show us examples of equivalent houses in equivalent locations, one with only detached SFHs surrounding it and another with a quadriplex or apartment building next to it, where the second house sold for more than the first within a month or two of each other?

No, because they’re currently illegal, but a lot of people can see high-rise apartments from their front or back porches in East Bethesda and their property values are doing just fine. Just using logic, at the very least, your land will appreciate because its development potential will increase, probably at a faster pace than the structure depreciates.

In addition, potential litigants are going to be challenged to show harm resulting from the zoning change because the tight sales market will continue to push sales prices up, especially as interest rates fall. Almost every land use policy that the county has made during the last decade or so has benefited land owners financially, with the exception of the 15 percent ADU requirement, which ironically has helped fuel market rate shortages and price increases. The zoning change will benefit landowners as well, at the expense of people who don’t own land.

Huh. Will it benefit quality of life? As we all become pods in the smart growth Matrix?

It really depends on what you value. If you value walkable communities with jobs and services nearby, then, yes it will benefit quality of life.

Doesn't this currently exist? There is a core, quite a few apt buildings and then duplexes and sfhs. Isn't that a walkable community... That exists? Too bad so few parks .DC has MoCo beat for that.

where is there this?

Downtown Bethesda. There is a shopping district, surround apartments and condos gradually diminishing in height, and then sfhs. All walkable.

So there is one walkable community in Montgomery County, and that's it, that's all we need, we're done? That's not my opinion.

I'm in favor of this proposal, but it isn't because MoCo has no walkable areas:

Silver Spring
Rockville
Rio
Pike and Rose
Kentlands


all come to mind

Ok, so downtown Bethesda (yes), Downtown Silver Spring (yes), the City of Rockville (no, although they're trying), Rio (an outdoor shopping mall next to a highway), Pike and Rose (an outdoor shopping mall with housing), and Kentlands (a New Urbanist development that nobody has built anything like, in the 20+ years since it was completed)? I think there can be more than that for the 1.1 million people who live in Montgomery County.

So let me get this straight - you want to make MoCo for walkable for all 1.1 million people? Why not bring the business to the people then? rather than focus on housing near business (impossible for all 1.1) how about business near housing? You could have the country but up housing and build business throughout, if this is a value of yours. Or loosen business licenses.

No, I didn't say that. This is an example of the very-on-line discourse where Person A says "I think there should be more waffle places" and Person B responds "So you want to force everyone to eat nothing but waffles 24/7/365, don't you?"

It’s also an example of very YImBY discourse to assume that walkable>secluded (which is what people wanted when they move). So much so they think they should be able to impose their views on others. It’s quite selfish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The public feedback is making the YImBYs nervous, keep it up people.

Let the council members know how this affects your vote in 2024, 2026, and beyond.

Either you don't live in Maryland, or you don't know how elections in Maryland work.

Honestly, you really take the cake at being both condescending and incompetent, which seems to be the YImBY norm. Very impressive!

Elections work both upstream and downstream, little buddy.

Shame if it converted some people away from Alsobrooks.

[Anonymous]

Please tell me who I should for for or against if I hate this stupid re-zoning plan! Seriously - please give me names.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please tell me who I should vote for or against if I hate this stupid re-zoning plan! Seriously - please give me names.

Correction.

[Anonymous]

The Attainable Housing proposal is probably mis-named. The new housing units produced will likely all be for the upper-middle class. That being said, any new housing is better than no new housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Attainable Housing proposal is probably mis-named. The new housing units produced will likely all be for the upper-middle class. That being said, any new housing is better than no new housing.

No new housing is better than new housing without needed infrastructure.