Listening Sessions - Montgomery County Attainable Housing

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Anonymous wrote:PP you're responding to. Yes, of course it's my opinion. It's my opinion based on how the system works. If you want to spend your time and energy pushing for a referendum or recall, that's your decision.

Mind you, I don't think it actually is an unpopular change. We all live in bubbles to various degrees, but I think some of the posters on this thread would benefit by getting out of their bubbles more.


I’d say that the proponents of this are the ones who are living in a bubble and think that these changes are much more popular than they actually are.


You can say whatever you want. But my guess is that plenty of people who want to preserve exclusive single-family zoning don't know anybody who supports the proposed changes (or at least believe they don't know anybody who supports them), whereas everybody who supports the proposed changes knows plenty of people who want to preserve exclusive single-family zoning. Exclusive single-family zoning is what we've been doing for the last 100 years, after all. Opposing the proposed changes is supporting the status quo. Supporting the proposed changes is opposing the status quo.


False choice presented, there. There can be changes more workable and less burdensome, both to the county overall and to the neighborhoods likely impacted, here. The bent of the language ("exclusive" and the way "status quo" is presented) also presumes that detached single family home neighborhoods, as something of a status quo (there has been considerable, if much more gradual, change over the past hundred years, after all), are not good in the first place.


No, it's not a false choice. These are the proposed changes. If you support change - but not the actual proposed changes, you support some other changes that are not being proposed - then you're supporting the status quo.

You're correct, though, that the presumption is that it's not good for there to be areas where the only allowable land use is single family houses.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP you're responding to. Yes, of course it's my opinion. It's my opinion based on how the system works. If you want to spend your time and energy pushing for a referendum or recall, that's your decision.

Mind you, I don't think it actually is an unpopular change. We all live in bubbles to various degrees, but I think some of the posters on this thread would benefit by getting out of their bubbles more.


I’d say that the proponents of this are the ones who are living in a bubble and think that these changes are much more popular than they actually are.


You can say whatever you want. But my guess is that plenty of people who want to preserve exclusive single-family zoning don't know anybody who supports the proposed changes (or at least believe they don't know anybody who supports them), whereas everybody who supports the proposed changes knows plenty of people who want to preserve exclusive single-family zoning. Exclusive single-family zoning is what we've been doing for the last 100 years, after all. Opposing the proposed changes is supporting the status quo. Supporting the proposed changes is opposing the status quo.


False choice presented, there. There can be changes more workable and less burdensome, both to the county overall and to the neighborhoods likely impacted, here. The bent of the language ("exclusive" and the way "status quo" is presented) also presumes that detached single family home neighborhoods, as something of a status quo (there has been considerable, if much more gradual, change over the past hundred years, after all), are not good in the first place.


No, it's not a false choice. These are the proposed changes. If you support change - but not the actual proposed changes, you support some other changes that are not being proposed - then you're supporting the status quo.

You're correct, though, that the presumption is that it's not good for there to be areas where the only allowable land use is single family houses.


It is a false choice, albeit one forced by the fact that Montgomery Planning did nothing (at the direction of the Planning Board, at the behest of the County Council) to detail alternatives for consideration. There are alternatives that present both better prospects with regard to infrastructure adequacy/cost and less undercutting of the reasonable expectations of current residents when they previously made those highly personally consequential residency decisions. Several have been presented in other threads (e.g., the 100-plus-page "MOCO - County Wide Upzoning, Everywhere" that preceded this one, the 70-page "More MOCO Upzoning - Starting in Silver Spring" which preceded that and the almost-30-page "MoCo Planning Board Meeting - Upzoning" before that, and that is just since the spring -- plenty about Thrive in general, MoCo "missing middle" and specific sector plans prior).

We simply will have to disagree about whether detached single-family home neighborhoods have a reasonable place in a largely suburban district, where the urban areas, themselves, are not the primary focal locations in the region. But that, too, is part of a false choice, isn't it? Not just the prior "duplexes looking like really nice brick homes like one might see along 16th Street in DC" dog & pony that served as the presentation to communities over the prior years. That, unsurprisingly, given the political elements in play, was the entree to the sudden "well, you're either for allowing 19-unit apartments with no infrastructure adequacy assurances in the detached SFH neighborhood in which you settled or you're a backwards, racist, must-be-excessively-wealthy-yourself-despite-middle-of-the-road-income-areas-being-more-likely-to-be-affected, anti-change meany, whose interests and concerns we should ignore because other people want homes there and we won't consider alternatives."
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I'm sorry, I'm not interested in reading posts about this topic that are that long.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, I'm not interested in reading posts about this topic that are that long.


LMAO.
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Anonymous wrote:Moco govt doing everything they can to ruin the county and drive out high income earners who pay the most tax. Should go swimmingly.


Yes. I read somewhere that the continued introduction of a net need population will do that at some point. A diminished quality of life can lead to an erosion of the tax base.
Anonymous
The YImBY borg is learning, probably taking notes from these threads. soon it may become self aware.

All the same turd polish they used with Thrive.

https://montgomeryplanning.org/blog-design/2024/08/faq-curious-about-our-proposal-to-relax-single-family-zoning-weve-got-answers/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BUW8_qM455xpguZ95QhxL1Wms0XQyN43Sb7RdfCImjh2JtyYUFQARsvE_aem_xKtETubtMdUUusfjAQN-UQ

Though, the AI training needs work.

“might be”

“we expect”

“our calculations”

Alluding to the adjustment of school boundaries, “while some individual schools are overcrowded, the system countywide is not”

Reduced parking requirements within a MILE of Metro, Purple Line, and Marc, and within 500 feet in either direction of a “growth corridor” – they think that they are attracting people without cars. lol, right.

Their gentrification arguments are too silly to even address.
Anonymous
In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!
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Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!


This is DJT level projection.

The YImBYs are the kings of dramatic hand-wringing and pearl clutching. The sniveling about zoning is so nauseating that you want to look away.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!


I do not love to see it. I would prefer for people to not be NIMBYs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!


This is DJT level projection.

The YImBYs are the kings of dramatic hand-wringing and pearl clutching. The sniveling about zoning is so nauseating that you want to look away.


Sniveling? Hmm, an entire generation is unable to afford housing because of NIMBYs. I think it's warranted, selfish guy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!


This is DJT level projection.

The YImBYs are the kings of dramatic hand-wringing and pearl clutching. The sniveling about zoning is so nauseating that you want to look away.


Sniveling? Hmm, an entire generation is unable to afford housing because of NIMBYs. I think it's warranted, selfish guy.


Weird how this one poster always spells it "Yes In my Back Yard". A personal idiosyncrasy of theirs, I suppose.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!


This is DJT level projection.

The YImBYs are the kings of dramatic hand-wringing and pearl clutching. The sniveling about zoning is so nauseating that you want to look away.


Sniveling? Hmm, an entire generation is unable to afford housing because of NIMBYs. I think it's warranted, selfish guy.



At your next get together you should tell your fellow cult members that if they are going to try to be edgy and hip and insulting that they should expect that someone might insult them back.

Talk about dishing it out and not being able to take it.

Which generation?

Millennial? Yes, slightly behind and growing.

Z? Doing fine for the age, though half of them are still collecting Pokémon cards.

https://www.apartmentlist.com/research/homeownership-by-generation

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/more-gen-z-homeowners-millennials-170840693.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/04/21/gen-z-ahead-of-millennials-and-their-parents-in-owning-their-own-homes/

https://fortune.com/2024/01/17/redfin-baby-boomers-gen-z-housing-market-homeownership/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry NIMBYs doing lots of hand-wringing. You love to see it!


This is DJT level projection.

The YImBYs are the kings of dramatic hand-wringing and pearl clutching. The sniveling about zoning is so nauseating that you want to look away.


Sniveling? Hmm, an entire generation is unable to afford housing because of NIMBYs. I think it's warranted, selfish guy.



At your next get together you should tell your fellow cult members that if they are going to try to be edgy and hip and insulting that they should expect that someone might insult them back.

Talk about dishing it out and not being able to take it.

Which generation?

Millennial? Yes, slightly behind and growing.

Z? Doing fine for the age, though half of them are still collecting Pokémon cards.




That's an odd thing to say about group of people born between the mid-to-late 1990s and the early 2010s.
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