Because it's bothering her and making her cranky. I dunno. Maybe the artist she hates intend for that reaction, so by all means, go on and look and complain! |
Ha ha - so true! |
I agree that an artist should not care if someone personally doesn’t like his or her art. But then why demand people not look at art they don’t like? Why are you insisting that people should never spend time thinking about or writing about art they dislike? I see this line of thinking pretty frequently these days. You aren’t alone in this. And it puzzles me. Some of the greatest art, novels, etc in the world have come out of a responsive situation, where someone saw art they didn’t like and responded to it. The world’s great parodies, for instance, often started with someone seeing to the heart of a situation and disliking it. But there are so many artists that talk like you do: “if you don’t like something, ignore it. Don’t go see it if you don’t like it.” And I find that a genuinely puzzling attitude. We will lose so much great art in the world if artists take the line that no negative commentary or reaction should happen. |
You sound like an obnoxious snob. If you think the art workd judges pieces objectively, and cannot be tricked , you are naive. |
| Sometimes art just isn’t good, or isn’t even particularly creative. And yes, it mostly applies to contemporary art in my experience. Maybe I just don’t like that genre. I’ve certainly thought it although I wouldn’t say it out loud at a gallery. |
Why do you think it’s bothering her? She seems to be enjoying the observations and the process of thinking about it. I don’t see any crankiness, either, but even if she was cranky, why can’t she be cranky? I actually think the modern art world’s groupthink insistence on toxic positivity is doing more to harm the art world overall than any negative commentary from individuals who see something they don’t like. |
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A few things.
First -- people are using the term "modern art" really loosely in this thread and it's not a loose term. It refers to a specific period of art that we are actually no longer in. The modern period is generally considered to have lasted from 1860 to 1975. It includes a whole variety of different movements from impressionism to abstract expressionism to cubism to surrealism. People in this thread are talking about certain mid-20th century artists and drawing broad conclusions about modern art and you're really talking about a teeny tiny part of the modern movement. Also when you talk about more contemporary artists like Koons who may be inspired by certain modern movements but are not really considered part of the "modern art" era. Yes it was short cited for people to label the era "modernism"! But they did and now we sometimes have to struggle with the vocabulary. But one thing to consider is that the vast majority of successful modern artists were technically extremely skilled and their work could not easily be recreated by an amateur. And even if at this point someone could recreate it they would be doing so by employing techniques that did not exist before those artists invented and perfected them. And I want to reiterate the comments from a few other PPs that sometimes these works are deceptive in their simplicity. I think Rothko is one of the best examples of this. People will look at one of Rothko's color field paintings and just be like "whatever that's just blocks of colors on canvas -- I could do that." But I suggest going to the Rothko room in the Phillips Gallery or spending time at one of the permanent Rothko exhibits at the National Gallery. They are not just blocks of color. There is a painstaking process of layering very thin applications of paint to create the impression of depth and variation that he sometimes spent months or years constructing through a long process of trial and error. And many of his paintings are designed as part of a series so he had to create these fields on multiple canvases in a way that complemented each other and created the desired effect. Sometimes looking deeply at a Rothko can make me feel lost or light headed and I'm not the only one who experiences this. It is hard to explain but seeing those work in person up close especially when you are in a room with just one set of paintings designed to be shown together can be a strange experience. I am a great lover of classical art as well as many of the less abstract modernists like Picasso or Kandinsky or late-impressionists like Caillebotte and don't always love truly abstract art. Yet I find Rothko to be a powerful and technically virtuosic painter. So I guess what I'm saying is that if you say something like "I could do that" or "my kid could do that" without really spending much time really looking at these works and allowing them to impact you. Approaching them with openness and seeing if you can understand why people like them or find them worthy of space in major museums. I'm not saying you'll love it all but I think you might *appreciate* it enough to understand that the creation of these works was not easy or accidental or cynical in the vast majority of cases. |
When people are complaining about something, it is very common to offer solutions so that what the person is complaining about doesn't bother them so much. How is that hard to understand? Me personally, I think life is too short to spend time reading a book you hate. Or even looking at art that makes you that upset. But that's my personal choice. |
In poll after poll, the overwhelming majority of people believe they are above-average. |
Why do I think it's bothering her? Because of what she wrote! That's how I interpret it! Why do you think she should only receive positive, supportive reactions to what she wrote? But again, maybe the artists she thinks are grifting and producing art she thinks is absurd are looking just for that reaction. So she is participating in their artwork! Fabulous! |
I appreciate your staunch defense of modern art. But I wasn't saying it would be easy to get into a gallery, I was saying it would be easy to hang a baggie on the wall that contains literal trash. Landing in a gallery takes acceptance of the gatekeepers and kingmakers. That's about politics, not mechanics. |
Ask your friend. Your DH works in museums and that’s already a different scene. Just because you’ve never heard it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. We are talking about a small subset of art that is unimpressive from a method, materials, medium perspective and technically straightforward with fabricated mythology about the piece or the artist that adds “context”. The fact that you are supposedly so immersed in the art world and can’t recall an example is…. Interesting. |
I am so happy and reinforced that you’re experiencing powerful emotions after enduring my art. I should monetize this. It was searing commentary on the searing commentary on the searing commentary related to the current paradigm in the “so-called” contemporary art world. I approached it with a critical framework informed by my formative years spent living with previously undiscovered tribes in the Amazon rainforest. And the best part is if you look at it from different angles, it has texture!! |
Every single wall of my house is like that. Very thin layers of paint painstakingly applied over years to give the impression that my wall is actually flat and not the horrific joint compound mess that it is. |
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