Bill banning legacy admissions in all California colleges and universities passes Assembly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bummer deal. I am sure it is these endowments and donations that are paying for my exceptional, poor, white kid's education at his university of this type of a caliber.

Ton of middle class kids also choose publics because of money. Poor White kidswill be fine anywhere.

Except my kid goes to school for free at his school whereas my poorly regarded state school will cost him $12K a year. My earlier point stands where I do not begrudge legacy admissions or admission through donations because it helps my family- which at the end of the day is what we are all seeking to do... forwarding the best interests of our children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

well, to start, Oxbridge doesn't do legacies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions were banned at CA publics 25 years ago.

So if your parents went to UC Berkeley, it’s illegal for you to be admitted?

How is this legal?

No , if they get in with fair competition like everyone ele.

How will anyone know one way or the other? Will they just reject legacies to avoid litigation?

Yes. Certain private schools have done this in recent years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions were banned at CA publics 25 years ago.

So if your parents went to UC Berkeley, it’s illegal for you to be admitted?

How is this legal?

No , if they get in with fair competition like everyone ele.

“Ban legacy admissions” means, literally, banning admission of legacy students. There isn’t enough legal word salad to twist that into disregarding alum status, which is what you describe, PP.

Everyone can do regular admission.
It means legacy blind just like race blind.

Ban does not mean blind, PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions were banned at CA publics 25 years ago.

So if your parents went to UC Berkeley, it’s illegal for you to be admitted?

How is this legal?

No , if they get in with fair competition like everyone ele.

“Ban legacy admissions” means, literally, banning admission of legacy students. There isn’t enough legal word salad to twist that into disregarding alum status, which is what you describe, PP.

Everyone can do regular admission.
It means legacy blind just like race blind.

Ban does not mean blind, PP.

Yes it does.
They don't ask and consider who your dad is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions were banned at CA publics 25 years ago.

So if your parents went to UC Berkeley, it’s illegal for you to be admitted?

How is this legal?

No , if they get in with fair competition like everyone ele.

“Ban legacy admissions” means, literally, banning admission of legacy students. There isn’t enough legal word salad to twist that into disregarding alum status, which is what you describe, PP.

Everyone can do regular admission.
It means legacy blind just like race blind.

Ban does not mean blind, PP.

Yes it does.
They don't ask and consider who your dad is.

I hate to break it to you, but if your dad went there even decades ago, the Admissions Office knows. You don’t have to say a word. They know a lot more, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

well, to start, Oxbridge doesn't do legacies.

Their financial aid also does not compare to schools like Harvard or Princeton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

No one gives money just so they can get a seat. Most donors are megalomaniacs who like to die happy that their name will live on for posterity on the face of a building or some such. Donations will not stop.

Your argument is similar to the anti-tax people make. OMG, rich people will leave if you raise taxes too much. Guess what, we did have high taxes and everyone was fine and happy back then.

This. The big ticket donations ($20 million+++) that move the needle at elite schools come from those who put their names on buildings/research centers etc. Treating every legacy as a potential cash cow is imprecise.

utterly false. I'm a Harvard alum. All of us give ONLY to get our kids. (an yes we co
oare figures out to 8 digitd
s). You take that perq away and we go back to funding true charities for the needy

And it looks like you got a stellar education there, particularly in the language arts. I'm sure your alma mater is thrilled that you are proclaiming your association, PP. You are a credit to the university.

you are a petty person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

well, to start, Oxbridge doesn't do legacies.

Their financial aid also does not compare to schools like Harvard or Princeton.

irrelevant point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

well, to start, Oxbridge doesn't do legacies.

Their financial aid also does not compare to schools like Harvard or Princeton.

irrelevant point

How is it irrelevant when the point that I am making is that legacy admissions or at least the donations associated with them make more funding available for lower income students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

well, to start, Oxbridge doesn't do legacies.

Their financial aid also does not compare to schools like Harvard or Princeton.

irrelevant point

How is it irrelevant when the point that I am making is that legacy admissions or at least the donations associated with them make more funding available for lower income students?

Low income kids can go to state schools or get merit just like middle income kids.
If a low income kid is truly exceptional, they'll start giving merits on top of Federal aid.

Sounds most fsir.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bummer deal. I am sure it is these endowments and donations that are paying for my exceptional, poor, white kid's education at his university of this type of a caliber.

Ton of middle class kids also choose publics because of money. Poor White kidswill be fine anywhere.

Except my kid goes to school for free at his school whereas my poorly regarded state school will cost him $12K a year. My earlier point stands where I do not begrudge legacy admissions or admission through donations because it helps my family- which at the end of the day is what we are all seeking to do... forwarding the best interests of our children.

Your kid should get $48k loan like my kid.
Uour kid is not special and no reason to be treated special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions were banned at CA publics 25 years ago.

So if your parents went to UC Berkeley, it’s illegal for you to be admitted?

How is this legal?

No , if they get in with fair competition like everyone ele.

“Ban legacy admissions” means, literally, banning admission of legacy students. There isn’t enough legal word salad to twist that into disregarding alum status, which is what you describe, PP.

If they say "Ban donation admissions", it doesn't mean you can't get in if you made any donation.
Duh Duh Duh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[/b]Banning donors is stupid. Goodbye financial aid.[b]

Colleges should be smart enough to reject non donor legacies

yup. end of private financial aid at Ca privates. And tuition will be hiked over $100k per year next year.

I rather have equality and fairness especially in the education field just like everywhere else in the world.

Curious where this “everywhere else in the world” is, where money doesn’t talk?

well, to start, Oxbridge doesn't do legacies.

Well they say they do not that is true. But then why is every artisto kid with a pulse admitted? And they do have donors -- often not from UK -- whose kids go. US colleges are by far the best. Oxbridge does not compare to even a top 50 US at the undergrad level.