Connecticut Avenue bike lane officially dead

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Common sense prevails.

Riders can continue sharing the road like they do now, and disregarding all traffic laws.


Run 'em over!
VROOM!!!


Oh, nice, death threats. Aren't you a cute bunch.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Only two of the ANC 3C races were contested on the bike lane issue. Most commissioner candidates were unopposed and in one case, both candidates favored bike lanes. Of the two contested races, it was an even split. ANCs think they have so much power, but they really don't. I don't really care about bike lanes either way, but I'm happy to see the ANCs get a dose of reality.


The exact mandate of ANCs is to provide feedback on projects like the CT Ave redesign.


The mandate of the ANCs is to deal with gadfly neighbors on leaf collection and pot holes so the actual elected council don’t have to.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone currently biking on Conn Ave today is not a typical cyclist. I've been biking nearly daily in DC for decades and am still terrified whenever I have to take Conn. The vast majority of cyclists are too scared to bike there. When there are bike lanes - which will apparently not be anytime soon - there will be many more people able to bike that way.


Bike lanes on Conn Ave are the ultimate in entitlement. Inconveniencing and slowing down traffic for tens of thousands for the benefit of a few hundred.


It's absolutely true that there are very few cyclists who use Connecticut - BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES! The only way to increase cycling is to make cycling safe. In the Netherlands, there is a great cycling infrastructure and cycling is widespread.

Of course, DC is not going to turn into the Netherlands, you say, because we're a car culture. True. As was Netherlands in 1971, when more than 400 children were killed in traffic accidents. It took a lot of work and many years to build safe cities there, as it will here. We should start now.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/05/amsterdam-bicycle-capital-world-transport-cycling-kindermoord


Then move to the Netherlands. And when you're too feeble to ride your bike anymore you can ask the government to euthanize you.
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Or just move downtown where there are plenty of bike lanes and stop trying to screw up livable family neighborhoods.


What? I live in a “family neighborhood” (or at least that’s what I think you have in mind) and bike lanes are essential to protecting my children when they travel back and forth to school and activities. This is their only way to get around because they can’t drive, the bus network is pathetic, their parents are not privileged enough to have the time or the money to drive them around everywhere, and the notion of them taking rides when random strangers driving ride-shares doesn’t really appeal. How would you like them to get around? Or would you prefer them to just sit at home and pick up apart your obnoxiously idiotic claims?


They can walk.
Anonymous
Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Only two of the ANC 3C races were contested on the bike lane issue. Most commissioner candidates were unopposed and in one case, both candidates favored bike lanes. Of the two contested races, it was an even split. ANCs think they have so much power, but they really don't. I don't really care about bike lanes either way, but I'm happy to see the ANCs get a dose of reality.


The exact mandate of ANCs is to provide feedback on projects like the CT Ave redesign.


The mandate of the ANCs is to deal with gadfly neighbors on leaf collection and pot holes so the actual elected council don’t have to.


When agencies want to do work in a community, it coordinates public meetings through the ANC's and further seeks ANC input on the work it wants to do. The DDOT proposal to make Connecticut Avenue safer falls under that category.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



Well, this is now crazy. I feel like I was in the 98% of people that didn't give a rat's a** if they installed bike lanes or not...but how in the heck is this now the outcome?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



Then we should advocate so that WMATA allows bikes on metro trains and buses that run above and below Connecticut Ave shielded from weather and bad drivers. These changes are way overdue.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



Then we should advocate so that WMATA allows bikes on metro trains and buses that run above and below Connecticut Ave shielded from weather and bad drivers. These changes are way overdue.


You are allowed to take a bike on metro or load it on the rack on the front of a bus.

Drivers can also park their cars and take a bus or the metro.

We all have the option of biking or driving on Connecticut. Enjoy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



Well, this is now crazy. I feel like I was in the 98% of people that didn't give a rat's a** if they installed bike lanes or not...but how in the heck is this now the outcome?


"Mayor Muriel Bowser Presents... Equally Sh!tty Outcomes for All!"
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



This is a bit disingenuous. They aren't suddenly allowing parking from stem to stern 24/7 all up and down the avenue. They will now be allowing the same parking that there is now but also during rush hours. This means that there will still be the same access to sidewalks for those with disabilities that there is now and buses will have the same marked off bus areas so they aren't sticking out in a lane. Picture today's Connecticut Avenue between 9:30am-3:59pm and 6:30pm-7:00am and that's what you'll have all the time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



This is a bit disingenuous. They aren't suddenly allowing parking from stem to stern 24/7 all up and down the avenue. They will now be allowing the same parking that there is now but also during rush hours. This means that there will still be the same access to sidewalks for those with disabilities that there is now and buses will have the same marked off bus areas so they aren't sticking out in a lane. Picture today's Connecticut Avenue between 9:30am-3:59pm and 6:30pm-7:00am and that's what you'll have all the time.


LOL - you must not spend much time on CT Ave - the current situation with the buses and left turns blocking traffic is terrible - busses can rarely pull all the way over because of cars illegally parked in the bus zones and in the rare instances when they can have to wait for all of the traffic to clear to re-enter traffic because no drivers yield to allow them to re-enter even though it is required by law.

And of course the perfect storm is when there is a single car stuck waiting to turn left and the bus in the center lane at an intersection because currently that is where the bus stops mostly are and there are usually cars in the bus stop and suddenly no traffic is getting thru.

Concept C would have improved both the left turns and the bus issue because all of the stops were going to be moved but nope no worries - we need lots of parking in a corridor where parking has never even been difficult.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



This is a bit disingenuous. They aren't suddenly allowing parking from stem to stern 24/7 all up and down the avenue. They will now be allowing the same parking that there is now but also during rush hours. This means that there will still be the same access to sidewalks for those with disabilities that there is now and buses will have the same marked off bus areas so they aren't sticking out in a lane. Picture today's Connecticut Avenue between 9:30am-3:59pm and 6:30pm-7:00am and that's what you'll have all the time.


I am sorry...but this is a horrific outcome to all of this. If the option had been parking 24/7 vs. bike lane, I would have chosen bike lane all day long.

The only times of day anyone really gives a s**t about are the rush hour times. Of course the buses will be sticking out in a lane...do you see the buses that run during times when people can park on the street? Probably every 3rd block someone is parked illegally that cuts into a bus lane. You just didn't notice it much or care when that happened at 12pm, but when it happens at 8:30am or 5pm, you are going to notice.

There are plenty of stretches of CT avenue in upper NW that aren't even metered. They just have the no parking 6:30 - 9:30 and 3:30 - 6:30. When do meters even start running?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



Well, this is now crazy. I feel like I was in the 98% of people that didn't give a rat's a** if they installed bike lanes or not...but how in the heck is this now the outcome?


because people like you sat back and let the crazy NIMBYs lie their way to 4000 petition signatures and the mayor, without evidence, decided to take their position. If you don't like the result, sign the petition for the mayor to reconsider

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it true that all parking restrictions on CT Avenue are getting lifted? In other words, you can park during rush hour?

That would be an absolutely horrible result from this effort if that is the case.


Yes, that is what the interim director said yesterday. Instead of 24/7 parking on one side with bike lanes, DDOT is going to life all parking restrictions so there is parking on both sides 24/7. That is their proposed "road diet."

The result of course, is that the same traffic woes anticipated by the "save connecticut ave" group will be in play, without the added benefit of some drivers switching to biking instead. Under this scenario, you lose the easy access to sidewalks for the handicapped community, and buses will have to revert to the pulling in with the rear of the bus taking part of a lane at each stop. Add to it, bikers will still want to use the Avenue and will be within their rights to simply use a full lane, with resulting car back-ups behind them.



This is a bit disingenuous. They aren't suddenly allowing parking from stem to stern 24/7 all up and down the avenue. They will now be allowing the same parking that there is now but also during rush hours. This means that there will still be the same access to sidewalks for those with disabilities that there is now and buses will have the same marked off bus areas so they aren't sticking out in a lane. Picture today's Connecticut Avenue between 9:30am-3:59pm and 6:30pm-7:00am and that's what you'll have all the time.


it isn't disingenuous at all.

1) the new concept would have allowed for left turn lanes and two through lanes. The revised plan is the status quo, but with no rush hour restrictions
2) the new concept had open areas for buses to be along the sidewalk/bike lane, so they didn't have to dodge parked cars, now they will
3) Because the old way will now be the status quo, but without rush hour restrictions, there will be effectively one through lane at each intersection, not the two through lanes panned under concept C - as such, all of the doom and gloom presented by the opponents will be more likely to result than under concept c
4) bikers will have no choice by to "take a lane" which means people driving in cars will be stuck behind cyclists who need to be far enough from the parked cars to prevent getting 'doored" and drivers will have no choice but to inch slowly behind them.
5) emergency vehicles could have been along the curb lane and straddled a bike lane as needed...now they will be outside of parked cars, blocking more through lanes.
6) one of the arguments was that CT Ave is an evacuation route. we all saw how that worked on 9/11. This will not make it any better and in most cases, it will be for worse


So this is a win for everyone, right?
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