Help us decide between Northwestern and Penn

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Anonymous wrote:My college students feel strongly that toxic kids go to Penn. It is full of snakes and super intense, cuthroat. If your kid is like that, Penn. Otherwise, Northwestern for sure.

+1 same experience and perception here

Same for Ivy League students in general no? The kids who will shiv you in the back to further their own interests. Yuck.

No, Penn stands out even among Ivy League as the place for toxic, cutthroat kids.

Not true and shame on you for saying that.

Agree, shame on you. What in the heck? You clearly do not have a student at Penn. We know many and have an upperclassman there. It is not cutthroat. They have never met anyone as these posts describe. It is stressful but their Stanford and Northwestern and Princeton friends from their HS report the same. Classes push them. They are all sci or engineering or CS and it’s hard at all these schools, but that is very different from cutthroat come on.

[Anonymous]

You can't go wrong with either. Even when you use totally different criteria (diversity, student opinions instead of college admin, etc) from US News (as the ranking below does), both compare very well with other schools.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/blog/6/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I’d rather be in the Chicago area and would go to Northwestern, but have to admit Penn is the better school.

How do you know that one school is better than the other for one who is undecided as to major ?

Stats of incoming students is nearly identical and class sizes are smaller at Northwestern than at U Penn.

This isn’t elementary school. Anyone picking a college because the average class size is smaller as any criteria is really missing the forest through the trees. Needless to say neither school has large class sizes once you get past some intro courses in a major or freshman seminar classes.

Your two posts lead me to think about a movie title--Dumb and Dumber.

You lack knowledge and insight about both universities if you think that one school is better than the other. Same students, different locations. Really depends upon specific majors.

The Penn brand is worth a lot more for networking, employment opportunities, and so on. The signaling model of education is real in the labor market. What does your degree signal to employers? It would be like saying there is no difference between MIT and Northwestern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I’d rather be in the Chicago area and would go to Northwestern, but have to admit Penn is the better school.

How do you know that one school is better than the other for one who is undecided as to major ?

Stats of incoming students is nearly identical and class sizes are smaller at Northwestern than at U Penn.

This isn’t elementary school. Anyone picking a college because the average class size is smaller as any criteria is really missing the forest through the trees. Needless to say neither school has large class sizes once you get past some intro courses in a major or freshman seminar classes.

Your two posts lead me to think about a movie title--Dumb and Dumber.

You lack knowledge and insight about both universities if you think that one school is better than the other. Same students, different locations. Really depends upon specific majors.

The Penn brand is worth a lot more for networking, employment opportunities, and so on. The signaling model of education is real in the labor market. What does your degree signal to employers? It would be like saying there is no difference between MIT and Northwestern.

New movie title based on your three recent posts in this thread: Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest.

Only you are discussing MIT in this thread about Penn and Northwestern. Plus try to focus on the thread topic.

[Anonymous]

MIT >>>>>>> Penm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MIT >>>>>>> Penm

More specifically, #2 and #6 in current national university rankings by USNWR.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally I’d rather be in the Chicago area and would go to Northwestern, but have to admit Penn is the better school.

How do you know that one school is better than the other for one who is undecided as to major ?

Stats of incoming students is nearly identical and class sizes are smaller at Northwestern than at U Penn.

This isn’t elementary school. Anyone picking a college because the average class size is smaller as any criteria is really missing the forest through the trees. Needless to say neither school has large class sizes once you get past some intro courses in a major or freshman seminar classes.

Your two posts lead me to think about a movie title--Dumb and Dumber.

You lack knowledge and insight about both universities if you think that one school is better than the other. Same students, different locations. Really depends upon specific majors.

The Penn brand is worth a lot more for networking, employment opportunities, and so on. The signaling model of education is real in the labor market. What does your degree signal to employers? It would be like saying there is no difference between MIT and Northwestern.

New movie title based on your three recent posts in this thread: Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest.

Only you are discussing MIT in this thread about Penn and Northwestern. Plus try to focus on the thread topic.

When an analogy is so easily lost on you, I question how you are able to use a keyboard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MIT >>>>>>> Penm

More specifically, #2 and #6 in current national university rankings by USNWR.

So, I guess you would also show Penn vs Northwestern (the topic of this thread) the same way?

Is that your conclusions as well?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MIT >>>>>>> Penm

More specifically, #2 and #6 in current national university rankings by USNWR.

So, I guess you would also show Penn vs Northwestern (the topic of this thread) the same way?

Is that your conclusions as well?

I was responding to a stupid post with a stupid ranking. If this level of simplicity appeals to you, you can stop here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My college students feel strongly that toxic kids go to Penn. It is full of snakes and super intense, cuthroat. If your kid is like that, Penn. Otherwise, Northwestern for sure.

+1 same experience and perception here

Same for Ivy League students in general no? The kids who will shiv you in the back to further their own interests. Yuck.

No, Penn stands out even among Ivy League as the place for toxic, cutthroat kids.

Not true and shame on you for saying that.

Agree, shame on you. What in the heck? You clearly do not have a student at Penn. We know many and have an upperclassman there. It is not cutthroat. They have never met anyone as these posts describe. It is stressful but their Stanford and Northwestern and Princeton friends from their HS report the same. Classes push them. They are all sci or engineering or CS and it’s hard at all these schools, but that is very different from cutthroat come on.

+1 I also have an upperclassman there who would agree with this. The students are very collaborative. My DC is in engineering and finds the classes challenging, but the professors are excellent and the engineering school is very well resourced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No question Penn. As long as you don’t stray Philly is a nice city. Other quality schools near by like Villanova if you wind up not liking Penn and they don’t abuse their cheerleaders https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/09/24/campus/judge-allows-sex-trafficking-claim-against-nu-cheer-to-proceed/

Being on the Penn campus feels like you’re in the wilderness surrounded by places you don’t want to go. There’s a reason cops are so prevalent. Northwestern is in a really safe area where you can focus on your studies & not worry about other things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No question Penn. As long as you don’t stray Philly is a nice city. Other quality schools near by like Villanova if you wind up not liking Penn and they don’t abuse their cheerleaders https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/09/24/campus/judge-allows-sex-trafficking-claim-against-nu-cheer-to-proceed/

Being on the Penn campus feels like you’re in the wilderness surrounded by places you don’t want to go. There’s a reason cops are so prevalent. Northwestern is in a really safe area where you can focus on your studies & not worry about other things.

Penn’s campus is safe but your kids need to be able to navigate a city safely if they are going to explore Philly beyond the immediate surroundings of campus. Would also be true for leaving Evanston and exploring Chicago.

[Anonymous]

Definitely Penn, just to see some great football against powerhouse teams like Colgate, Bucknell, & Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No question Penn. As long as you don’t stray Philly is a nice city. Other quality schools near by like Villanova if you wind up not liking Penn and they don’t abuse their cheerleaders https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/09/24/campus/judge-allows-sex-trafficking-claim-against-nu-cheer-to-proceed/

Being on the Penn campus feels like you’re in the wilderness surrounded by places you don’t want to go. There’s a reason cops are so prevalent. Northwestern is in a really safe area where you can focus on your studies & not worry about other things.

Penn’s campus is safe but your kids need to be able to navigate a city safely if they are going to explore Philly beyond the immediate surroundings of campus. Would also be true for leaving Evanston and exploring Chicago.

…..or even some parts of Evanston which aren’t particularly safe

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No question Penn. As long as you don’t stray Philly is a nice city. Other quality schools near by like Villanova if you wind up not liking Penn and they don’t abuse their cheerleaders https://dailynorthwestern.com/2023/09/24/campus/judge-allows-sex-trafficking-claim-against-nu-cheer-to-proceed/

Being on the Penn campus feels like you’re in the wilderness surrounded by places you don’t want to go. There’s a reason cops are so prevalent. Northwestern is in a really safe area where you can focus on your studies & not worry about other things.

Penn’s campus is safe but your kids need to be able to navigate a city safely if they are going to explore Philly beyond the immediate surroundings of campus. Would also be true for leaving Evanston and exploring Chicago.

…..or even some parts of Evanston which aren’t particularly safe

Right, because Northwestern students are all so eager to go out exploring the west side of Evanston.