If MoCo need housing, why keep agricultural reserve?

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

Prepandemic, the parking lots at Glenmont were always full.

It's weird how you won't take the word of someone who lives nearby, neighbors have even petitioned to force that shopping center to redevelop.

It's like there are people who want to build on the ag reserve while letting eastern Moco go down and not do any redevelopment.

Great townhouses right next to the Glenmont metro replaced crappy old apartments and sold.out fast. A sfh and town home development,.just down the street, replaced a under used golf course and is now fully built out and occupied and prices are going up, if anything comes up for resale. Lots of options for large pieces of land in MoCo of the landlords are willing to sell and make $$$.

PP, I support the Ag Reserve and would love to see the Glenmont Shopping Center redeveloped. There is no need to argue with me. The owners of the Glenmont Shopping Center apparently don't want to see it redeveloped, and they're the owners.

Pre-pandemic, the garages at Glenmont Metro were mostly empty 65% of the hours in the week.

Maybe they need some incentives from the county to do so…

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always believed the ag reserve is the biggest FU to poor people in the DC area. As if there isn’t enough agricultural land in this country.

It's about having access to LOCAL food.

I think a dead downtown is the biggest FU to poor people and a real testament to corporate greed. Go after the corporations first, the farmers last.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always believed the ag reserve is the biggest FU to poor people in the DC area. As if there isn’t enough agricultural land in this country.

It's about having access to LOCAL food.

I think a dead downtown is the biggest FU to poor people and a real testament to corporate greed. Go after the corporations first, the farmers last.

The agricultural reserve is also about our health (mental, physical, and environmental). Why should proximity to the countryside only be accessible to the wealthy. The first urban growth boundary was planned for Portland, Ore. back in the 1960s for those very reasons. It was modeled after those in Europe. Note how European countries haven’t followed our country’s embrace of freeways and sprawl in the name of more housing. Instead they build dense towns and city centers with amenities within a 15 minute walk most residences.

More suburban sprawl in Montgomery County will do no one any favors. Development, at higher densities if necessary, should be concentrated in smaller villages/towns. Montgomery County has done a good job planning for density in certain areas convenient to transit, and existing highways, whilst preserving a productive, rural landscape that benefits everyone. No need to change things now swap beautiful countryside for an expanded urban heat island, a polluted landscape, data centers, and sprawl.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always believed the ag reserve is the biggest FU to poor people in the DC area. As if there isn’t enough agricultural land in this country.

It's about having access to LOCAL food.

I think a dead downtown is the biggest FU to poor people and a real testament to corporate greed. Go after the corporations first, the farmers last.

It's potentially about having access to LOCAL food, but most of the acreage right now is in commodity crops (wheat, corn, soybeans), thanks to messed-up agricultural subsidies.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

I am not a developer, but if it's profitable to tear the house down and build a new duplex, then it must surely also be profitable to tear the house down and build a new oneplex.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

I am not a developer, but if it's profitable to tear the house down and build a new duplex, then it must surely also be profitable to tear the house down and build a new oneplex.

It’s also might affect their bottom line when SFH owners decide to boycott anyone involved in building a duplex in their neighborhood. People use the same builders, plumbers, designers, landscapers again and again in a particular area. I hope that they are going to make a lot of money on that duplex.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve always believed the ag reserve is the biggest FU to poor people in the DC area. As if there isn’t enough agricultural land in this country.

It's about having access to LOCAL food.

I think a dead downtown is the biggest FU to poor people and a real testament to corporate greed. Go after the corporations first, the farmers last.

It's potentially about having access to LOCAL food, but most of the acreage right now is in commodity crops (wheat, corn, soybeans), thanks to messed-up agricultural subsidies.

Subsidies change with every farm bill. You can plant anything on that land. But once that farmland is gone, it's gone forever.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

I am not a developer, but if it's profitable to tear the house down and build a new duplex, then it must surely also be profitable to tear the house down and build a new oneplex.

How do you draw that conclusion?

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

If the county or state is going to use eminent domain for anything at all then they should be using it to purchase the Glenmont shopping center rather than to bulldoze SFH for the stupid HOT Lane beltway expansion. Glenmont should be redeveloped into a walkable and revitalized commercial district/transportation hub with improved condo/apartment options. We need to be increasing housing supply, not decreasing.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

I am not a developer, but if it's profitable to tear the house down and build a new duplex, then it must surely also be profitable to tear the house down and build a new oneplex.

It’s also might affect their bottom line when SFH owners decide to boycott anyone involved in building a duplex in their neighborhood. People use the same builders, plumbers, designers, landscapers again and again in a particular area. I hope that they are going to make a lot of money on that duplex.

Hilarious!

You think neighbors will “boycott” the contractors and subcontractors building a duplex or keeping up the grounds?!?

OMG, so naive. I’ll bet you don’t even know the electrical subcontractor who wired the house you live in right now. Or the plumber who plumbed it. Or the crew who hung the drywall. Or the roofers. Or the HVAC contractor who installed your system.


But you think you and your neighbors will all be able to keep track of the dozen different contractors involved in building a typical home, and boycott them?????


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

I am not a developer, but if it's profitable to tear the house down and build a new duplex, then it must surely also be profitable to tear the house down and build a new oneplex.

It’s also might affect their bottom line when SFH owners decide to boycott anyone involved in building a duplex in their neighborhood. People use the same builders, plumbers, designers, landscapers again and again in a particular area. I hope that they are going to make a lot of money on that duplex.

Hilarious!

You think neighbors will “boycott” the contractors and subcontractors building a duplex or keeping up the grounds?!?

OMG, so naive. I’ll bet you don’t even know the electrical subcontractor who wired the house you live in right now. Or the plumber who plumbed it. Or the crew who hung the drywall. Or the roofers. Or the HVAC contractor who installed your system.


But you think you and your neighbors will all be able to keep track of the dozen different contractors involved in building a typical home, and boycott them?????


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Did someone say that, or are you bad at drawing conclusions? No wonder you have trouble.

It’s kind of adorbs, really.

So, when the owner of a property and a developer and the builder and the contractors and real estate agents love money very much they sometimes give birth to new building. When they do that, there are major players and there are minor players. Many of the major players are easily identifiable. Sometimes they even put signs in the yard so that you know who they are! Now, if certain players suffer financially, what do you think happens to the minor players?

That’s right, sport! The subs and others don’t sign contracts. So, they work for other people. In that way their work is more fungible.

The major players are easily identifiable.

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Anonymous wrote:And, we also purchased locally grown radishes, and kale. Many farmers here , and in places like Amish country, use hoop houses.

It's almost like people who want to pave over everything don't understand so much about history or where their food comes from.

I also know of a number of blighted shopping centers in eastern MoCo, one right by Glenmont metro, that could be redeveloped into successful townhouse / condo / retail developments of there was any desire on the part of the owners.

The Glenmont shopping center is actually doing very well. It just looks rundown. But yes, if the owners wanted to redevelop it, they could.

I live down the street. There is a huge parking lot that is never even 1/4 full, and only a handful of decent small businesses. We go to the really good Korean barber shop and that's it. Lots and lots of parking lot available for redevelopment.

The rent paid to the owners is evidently fine, thus no redevelopment. Yes, the parking lot is ridiculously large, but most parking lots in Montgomery County are. For that matter, the parking garages at Glenmont Metro are also ridiculously large.

DP but the point is, the space is not well utilized and could be used to build new mixed use developments rather than tearing down existing housing SFHs. The urban planning here is so terrible.

This is already happening. It's just that the SFH is replaced by a gigantic SFM (M for McMansion). It makes a lot more sense to replace it with a duplex, same building size but two units instead of one.

I live east county and that’s not as common here, yet anyway. People in general don’t have the $$ to buy a starter home and then tear it down to build a McMansion. They want to live in the starter home. I think there is genuine concern that these starter homes would graduallly get sold off to developers who can pay all cash and then build duplexes that end up costing more because they’re new. The newer townhouses near our neighborhood cost more than similarly sized older SFHs. Which is fine! And I support building more complexes like that. But it would be nice if it was in addition to, rather than at the expense of the older, relatively affordable housing stock.

I am not a developer, but if it's profitable to tear the house down and build a new duplex, then it must surely also be profitable to tear the house down and build a new oneplex.

It’s also might affect their bottom line when SFH owners decide to boycott anyone involved in building a duplex in their neighborhood. People use the same builders, plumbers, designers, landscapers again and again in a particular area. I hope that they are going to make a lot of money on that duplex.

It also might rain frogs.