Do students attend CES Jewish Day School if they are not Jewish?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

That’s a horrible attitude, expressed in the most horrible way. I’m Jewish. I sent my children to Jewish preschool and elementary school in a different city. There were several non-Jewish kids in those schools. The schools were 95% Jewish. That is predominant and majority. And the diversity of some non-Jewish families that embraced the Jewish community and chose to be part of it was a beautiful thing. So if the OP joined your school, your precious children would still be in the majority, and make mostly Jewish friends. And maybe they’d learn a valuable Jewish lesson, such as the idea that we are all made in the image of God. So calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

And I enroll my kids in MCPS but they still have no class on Jewish holidays. Funny how that works.

Your children do not have school on RH or YK but they do have school on sukkot and simchas torah. Spring break in MCPS is tied to Easter Monday, not pesach. It is so nice to not have to pack lunches on pesach and to be given the time off to travel to be with family.

Who cares about any of these holidays??

Jews?

The kind of religious Jews who send their kid to a Jewish day school. What a dumb question.

I don’t know why OP even wants to send her kid there. My parents enrolled me (a white Jewish kid) in Japanese Saturday school for a year and it was awful. They figured I’d pick up the language and I did, but it was so much more than language. It was culture supported by home. I was literally the only kid there who wasn’t at least half Japanese. They were welcoming after a fashion but it was clear I could never belong. And that was ok! It wasn’t designed for me.

Jewish day schools for non Jews - or even not religious Jews - are the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

Disgusting racist.

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).

This is why we as a proud Jewish family aren’t sending our kids to day school. Our kids didn’t want to spend half the day on Hebrew and Jewish history. That said, if you look at college matriculations of non yeshiva Jewish day schools, the students are going to all of the top universities like any secular private.

My kids do go to Jewish overnight camp (an experience I highly recommend).

A Jewish day school isn’t going to bend their curriculum to be more “inclusive”. The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience. That said, a non Jewish family who wants to embrace Jewish culture, language and traditions would absolutely be welcomed at CES or Milton. The PP should open her arms up to those who embrace us.

"The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience."

What are you trying to say?

In religion, history and religion aren't different. That's the first thing your learn when you read a book about religious history. It's literally printed in English translations of the Torah.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

That doesn’t mean it has to be 100% Jewish. What is wrong with you. Seriously.

My great grandma fled her home, her country, as a teenager to escape pograms. Her son, my grandpa, told me about how his job in the Army was to go into concentration camps after WWII ended and liberate the jewish prisoners, and then walked out of the room to cry remembering how awful they looked, and how it could hav been him had his mother stayed in her home country. His daughter, my mother, had rocks thrown at her head for being "a dirty jew" while walking home from school. I was shut out of camp activities once other kids in my bunk found out I was jewish, and chased off a city bus for wearing a Star of David, and now can't allow my kids to say anything in public that identifies them as Jewish. That is five generations of anti-semitism in my family. I want my kids to have an environment where not only is it safe to be jewish, but they know a community of jewish people and grow up thinking that's right.

Jewish Separatism isn't the solution to that problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

Go away, troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

Stop being a racist and illiterate piece of trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

Jews don't recruit and convert people. If you want to be Jewish, it has to be 100% your choice and you'd need to convert. It's a very different culture. Also, many who choose a Jewish school tend to be conservative or orthodox and its a very different culture from reformed.

It's the 21st Century. Even Conservative is pretty Reformed now.

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).

This is why we as a proud Jewish family aren’t sending our kids to day school. Our kids didn’t want to spend half the day on Hebrew and Jewish history. That said, if you look at college matriculations of non yeshiva Jewish day schools, the students are going to all of the top universities like any secular private.

My kids do go to Jewish overnight camp (an experience I highly recommend).

A Jewish day school isn’t going to bend their curriculum to be more “inclusive”. The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience. That said, a non Jewish family who wants to embrace Jewish culture, language and traditions would absolutely be welcomed at CES or Milton. The PP should open her arms up to those who embrace us.

"The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience."

What are you trying to say?

In religion, history and religion aren't different. That's the first thing your learn when you read a book about religious history. It's literally printed in English translations of the Torah.

I would be astonished if a Jewish day school taught the New Testament in any way at all.

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I sent my child to preschool at a conservative synagogue. We were very upfront about not being Jewish and everyone embraced us, it was no problem at all.

But, not being of the faith made it harder to be part of the larger community. We couldn't (I guess we could have..) participate in some of the celebrations and other events that were religious-based. So, keep that in mind. You will feel sort of like your kid goes to school in another country. One where things are sort of the same, but the customs are unfamiliar.

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).

This is why we as a proud Jewish family aren’t sending our kids to day school. Our kids didn’t want to spend half the day on Hebrew and Jewish history. That said, if you look at college matriculations of non yeshiva Jewish day schools, the students are going to all of the top universities like any secular private.

My kids do go to Jewish overnight camp (an experience I highly recommend).

A Jewish day school isn’t going to bend their curriculum to be more “inclusive”. The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience. That said, a non Jewish family who wants to embrace Jewish culture, language and traditions would absolutely be welcomed at CES or Milton. The PP should open her arms up to those who embrace us.

"The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience."

What are you trying to say?

In religion, history and religion aren't different. That's the first thing your learn when you read a book about religious history. It's literally printed in English translations of the Torah.

I would be astonished if a Jewish day school taught the New Testament in any way at all.

Secular studies, hebrew, torah, mishna, gemara, talmuld, jewish history---when would there be time for New Testament?

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).

This is why we as a proud Jewish family aren’t sending our kids to day school. Our kids didn’t want to spend half the day on Hebrew and Jewish history. That said, if you look at college matriculations of non yeshiva Jewish day schools, the students are going to all of the top universities like any secular private.

My kids do go to Jewish overnight camp (an experience I highly recommend).

A Jewish day school isn’t going to bend their curriculum to be more “inclusive”. The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience. That said, a non Jewish family who wants to embrace Jewish culture, language and traditions would absolutely be welcomed at CES or Milton. The PP should open her arms up to those who embrace us.

"The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience."

What are you trying to say?

In religion, history and religion aren't different. That's the first thing your learn when you read a book about religious history. It's literally printed in English translations of the Torah.

I would be astonished if a Jewish day school taught the New Testament in any way at all.

Secular studies, hebrew, torah, mishna, gemara, talmuld, jewish history---when would there be time for New Testament?

Plus, it’s irrelevant, Jewishly-speaking.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

Disgusting racist.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist
How is that racist?

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).

This is why we as a proud Jewish family aren’t sending our kids to day school. Our kids didn’t want to spend half the day on Hebrew and Jewish history. That said, if you look at college matriculations of non yeshiva Jewish day schools, the students are going to all of the top universities like any secular private.

My kids do go to Jewish overnight camp (an experience I highly recommend).

A Jewish day school isn’t going to bend their curriculum to be more “inclusive”. The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience. That said, a non Jewish family who wants to embrace Jewish culture, language and traditions would absolutely be welcomed at CES or Milton. The PP should open her arms up to those who embrace us.

"The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience."

What are you trying to say?

In religion, history and religion aren't different. That's the first thing your learn when you read a book about religious history. It's literally printed in English translations of the Torah.

I would be astonished if a Jewish day school taught the New Testament in any way at all.

Secular studies, hebrew, torah, mishna, gemara, talmuld, jewish history---when would there be time for New Testament?

I had to read the King James Bible (specifically that kind of Bible) in AP English lit to understand allusions and other influences. That was public school but it would be reasonable in a Jewish school also. There is that worry though, that even with the longer day that secular studies are not going to get as much time/focus as at a secular school. My kids are not in school yet and we aren't sure what we want to do - you absolutely cannot get the same religious education going to Hebrew school 2-3 times a week, but then again there's all the other subjects. Is it better to go to JDS and supplement secular subjects at home or vice versa (I don't even know where to start if I wanted to supplement a religious education)? There are a lot of factors, it's a tough decision.

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).

This is why we as a proud Jewish family aren’t sending our kids to day school. Our kids didn’t want to spend half the day on Hebrew and Jewish history. That said, if you look at college matriculations of non yeshiva Jewish day schools, the students are going to all of the top universities like any secular private.

My kids do go to Jewish overnight camp (an experience I highly recommend).

A Jewish day school isn’t going to bend their curriculum to be more “inclusive”. The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience. That said, a non Jewish family who wants to embrace Jewish culture, language and traditions would absolutely be welcomed at CES or Milton. The PP should open her arms up to those who embrace us.

"The New Testament will be taught as a history lesson and not a religious experience."

What are you trying to say?

In religion, history and religion aren't different. That's the first thing your learn when you read a book about religious history. It's literally printed in English translations of the Torah.

I would be astonished if a Jewish day school taught the New Testament in any way at all.

I wouldn't be surprised. My kids are at the Cathedral schools and they took classes/semesters studying Judaism and Islam which I am grateful for.