Do students attend CES Jewish Day School if they are not Jewish?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

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Of course you can apply, all are welcome! Jewish people are incredibly open and friendly to people of various faiths, cultures, and ethnicities. You don’t need to learn Hebrew to attend, especially if starting in middle school, as not all Jewish people speak it. Child can sit and read quietly during Hebrew-specific activities.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

Wow, that's quite telling. Is this how most feel?

As a Jewish person, I do not feel like this poster. DS attended a Jewish preschool and there were many non-Jewish kids. He still benefited from the Jewish curriculum. This is so unwelcoming. Nowhere in life will you be just with people who share your beliefs unless you decide to move to a devout religious community that isolates itself. The Judaism I grew up with was inclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

I think you're confusing me with another poster. I'm the one who mentioned Elon Musk.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

Wow, that's quite telling. Is this how most feel?

It's not remotely surprising. That's why people of specific faiths and traditions send their kids to those schools - not to have a diverse experience - to have a curated one. That's why it's a private school. It's the same for Catholic Schools, all-male, all-female schools, etc. (Though I suppose the Christian schools are more likely to proselytize and therefore try to attract non-believers.)

I send my kid to a Catholic school and am happy that there is diversity, even though we are practicing Catholics. Private school is enough of a bubble...would prefer my kid be exposed to people of other faiths and ethnicities. But I see what you are saying here.

I looked at a lot of Catholic schools due to price and only one seemed remotely welcoming. Many were openly hostile. You are silly to say you want to expose your child to people of other faiths and ethnicities as if you did, you wouldn't pick Catholic.

If there are open spots, I would think the school would accept OP children but it might be very uncomfortable if they are not religious or practicing (we looked at Jewish Schools as well but we are not practicing and it didn't seem that comfortable either).

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

Jews don't recruit and convert people. If you want to be Jewish, it has to be 100% your choice and you'd need to convert. It's a very different culture. Also, many who choose a Jewish school tend to be conservative or orthodox and its a very different culture from reformed.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficult to enroll after early elementary due to the Hebrew component. If your child doesn't have any Hebrew language experience it would be quite difficult to manage those classes and I'm not sure they'd let a child in in middle or high school without it. I'm Jewish and the school is too religious for my reformed Jewish faith family. It's a great school but suited for conservative plus religious families.

Some of them have separate classes for kids who don't speak Hebrew. Some do allow kids without hebrew to join in MS or HS as I talked a few.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficult to enroll after early elementary due to the Hebrew component. If your child doesn't have any Hebrew language experience it would be quite difficult to manage those classes and I'm not sure they'd let a child in in middle or high school without it. I'm Jewish and the school is too religious for my reformed Jewish faith family. It's a great school but suited for conservative plus religious families.

From the website: No Hebrew? No Problem! We are built to teach students at all levels and do not require students to know Hebrew before they join our school at any age.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

Jews don't recruit and convert people. If you want to be Jewish, it has to be 100% your choice and you'd need to convert. It's a very different culture. Also, many who choose a Jewish school tend to be conservative or orthodox and its a very different culture from reformed.

You don’t need to be Jewish to want to raise your child in the Jewish culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

Jews don't recruit and convert people. If you want to be Jewish, it has to be 100% your choice and you'd need to convert. It's a very different culture. Also, many who choose a Jewish school tend to be conservative or orthodox and its a very different culture from reformed.

I wrote that post and was being sarcastic--poking at all the oh so shocked people who oh so sad they cannot send their kid to. Jewish school

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

This makes me sad and I hope it's not how most people feel. I joined a jewish sorority in college. I am episcopalian but grew up with many jews and always joke I'm a friend of the chosen people. Also, jews are 1% of the world's population, right? And less than 5% in the USA? Don't y'all get bored?

Why would this make you sad? You call yourself an Episcopalian--Episcopalians themselves apart from others to attend Episcopalian churches--does this make you sad? The existences of churches of specific denominations? Are you wringing your hands with worry over their bordom?
The "chosen people" line is a trope that non allies like to tell people that Jewish people say--they don't
--a non Jew who is an ally of Jewish people in this era very deliberately

She's not asking to attend Jewish services, but to attend a Jewish school. Of course Episcopalians attend their churches and Jews their synagogues. You use Episcopalian as an example, but you do realize that Episcopalian schools are welcoming to all faiths, including Jews.

Jewish school only being open to Jewish kids is not a problem. The school (in part) teaches people to be about (not just learn about) the faith. If you are not there to be about the faith it doesn't make any sense to be there.

That's not true. Sometimes it's the best educational option in the area. Or very convenient geographically. Or the family wants to explore judaism a little. I know a family like that, 4/5 of the kids ended up Christian, one converted to judaism.

It can't be convenient or the best educational experience if you have no use for it, that is an impossibility. You issue seems to be "why do they dare have their own little thing."

"No use for it" is a rather subjective judgement.

Ok now you are on the kick of going to have a slick comeback for everything, not in good faith. Your goal here is to irritate people who want to to have a practical discussion about Jewish schools as the way they are (and do not consider what they are doing wrong).

You can certainly start your own thread for criticisms of Jewish schools, but I was responding to the topic brought up by the op.

We get it, Jews are selfish, not open like others. Thank you for your education of us this afternoon.

Jews don't recruit and convert people. If you want to be Jewish, it has to be 100% your choice and you'd need to convert. It's a very different culture. Also, many who choose a Jewish school tend to be conservative or orthodox and its a very different culture from reformed.

You don’t need to be Jewish to want to raise your child in the Jewish culture.

Unless the child is Jewish, it’s a weird choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

Wow, that's quite telling. Is this how most feel?

It's not remotely surprising. That's why people of specific faiths and traditions send their kids to those schools - not to have a diverse experience - to have a curated one. That's why it's a private school. It's the same for Catholic Schools, all-male, all-female schools, etc. (Though I suppose the Christian schools are more likely to proselytize and therefore try to attract non-believers.)

I send my kid to a Catholic school and am happy that there is diversity, even though we are practicing Catholics. Private school is enough of a bubble...would prefer my kid be exposed to people of other faiths and ethnicities. But I see what you are saying here.

I looked at a lot of Catholic schools due to price and only one seemed remotely welcoming. Many were openly hostile. You are silly to say you want to expose your child to people of other faiths and ethnicities as if you did, you wouldn't pick Catholic.

If there are open spots, I would think the school would accept OP children but it might be very uncomfortable if they are not religious or practicing (we looked at Jewish Schools as well but we are not practicing and it didn't seem that comfortable either).

Oh please...I have never heard this. My daughter's Catholic school has many other faiths, including Jews. I don't understand how you felt that they were "hostile." Please elaborate and name the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I hope not. I enroll my kids in a jewish school because I want them to make predominantly jewish friends, and to be in an environment where jewish people are the majority.

Letting in a few non-Jewish students will not change anything. Your kids friends will still be predominantly Jewish and in the majority.

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PP is an outlier. I’m Jewish and have many Jewish friends and any of us would be happy to have a non-Jew enrolled in a Jewish school. In fact, I’d think it was kind of cool.

I definitely don’t think that attitude is prevalent in the community.

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Anonymous wrote:We live very close to the school. We've heard mixed things but still considering looking. FWIW, we are white but not Jewish. This would be for both middle and high schools.

Two related questions:
Can non-Jewish kids gain admission?
What is the social environment like if you are non-Jewish?

Yes, you don't have to be Jewish to be admitted. They'd probably like some diversity.

Just like a Catholic school will be overwhelmingly Catholic, a Jewish school will be overwhelmingly Jewish.

I am Jewish and I think it's sweet you'd consider this. Elon Musk briefly attended a Jewish school as a child.

As catholic as a catholic school may be, a Jewish school will be exponentially more Jewish. I'm Jewish and I'd sooner send my kids to a catholic school than a Jewish one. Too much religious education, not enough time for regular education. Too narrowing an experience (based on my friends who attended a Jewish school, which admittedly was a long time ago).