Circumcision - Not Enough Cut?!

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Adhesions are what can regrow attaching the foreskin to the glans again, rendering a circed boy non-retractile.

As a side note, the "dead skin" you mention sounds like smegma, which is totally normal and not harmful -- we all have it.


The white stuff is smegma and is normal and not harmful, but our peds (several of them) have always advised that we remove it as we clean the penis in the bath.

Peds. have also always advised us to retract the foreskin with each diaper change JUST to expose the head, and NEVER to force it back. When the foreskin has gotten adhered, they've given us a steroid cream and advised that we retract gently, not forcing it, twice a day, and apply the steroid around the edges. Apparently the steroid breaks down the adhesions. We were told to do it for 2 weeks, then use vaseline for 2 weeks, and if the adhesion hasn't resolved itself by then go back to the steroid cream for another 2 weeks.

We do NOT use vaseline on a regular basis, but we DO (or should -- we're not always 100%) retract the foreskin slightly to reveal the head at every diaper change. When we start getting bad about remembering to do it consistently, he gets an adhesion. It sucks, b/c when he has an adhesion he doesn't want us touching him, and I can tell it's painful.

One thing the peds. have always been clear on though is that we should never force the foreskin back. Gently retract, but don't pull if it sticks.

For the PPs saying that you should never retract the foreskin, you're just wrong, and anyone following your advice will find out the hard way. And for the PP who posted the link saying that they now think adhesions resolve on their own and should not be messed with, you're misquoting the article. They said that as children get older they develop fewer adhesions (God I hope so!), and that they don't recommend LYSING adhesions EXCEPT ON THE CIRCUMCISION LINE. Lysing is a surgical procedure -- the study (I've pasted an extract below) does not say that you should not retract the foreskin to try to avoid adhesions.

We've been upset about and struggling with this issue since DS was born. The smegma always bothered DH, and he feels like it wouldn't be as much of an issue if the circumcision were done correctly (i.e. not left too long). The adhesions are, of course, the real issue, but he hates cleaning the smegma and doesn't think that would happen with a well-circumcised penis. He also doesn't like having to retract the foreskin with every diaper change -- I'm sure that will become even more of an issue as DS (now 18 months) gets older and more aware of private parts.

Here's the extract:

PURPOSE: The appropriate management of penile adhesions in circumcised boys is unclear. An important consideration is whether adhesions resolve spontaneously. We studied the incidence of penile adhesions as a function of patient age to assess the natural history.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: We evaluated all circumcised boys presenting to our pediatric urology clinic. A standard form was used to classify adhesions as grade 0-no adhesions, 1-fine adhesions to the corona, 2-adhesions covering less than 50% of the glans and 3-adhesions covering greater than 50% of the glans. All boys were evaluated by 1 of 2 pediatric urologists. Previous treatment of adhesions was assessed and skin bridges were also noted.

RESULTS: We enrolled in our study 254 boys 1 month to 19 years 8 months old. Only 7 patients had a history of treatment of adhesion, of whom 3 had recurrent adhesions at evaluation. Patients were divided into groups based on age, including younger than 12 months (61), 13 to 60 (78), 61 to 108 (51) and 109 months old or older (64). In these groups we noted an adhesion rate of 71%, 28%, 8% and 2%, respectively. The rate of adhesions more severe than grade 1 was 30%, 10% and 0% in boys 12 months old or younger, 13 to 60 and 61 months old or older, respectively. The oldest patient with grade 3 adhesions was 31 months old. Skin bridges in 6 cases involved the circumcision line in 4.

CONCLUSIONS: Penile adhesions develop after circumcision and the incidence decreases with patient age. Although there is debate on whether to lyse these adhesions manually, our findings suggest that adhesions resolve without treatment. Based on our results we do not recommend lysing penile adhesions, except perhaps those involving the circumcision line.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I too am in OP's boat and am frustrated with the "lots of boys aren't circumcised today" response. I understand that there are lots of uncircumcised males and don't think that being uncircumcised would warrant any teasing. The problem is that a lot of our sons are half circumcised, and I think they will stand out as being somewhat unusual if their circumcisions are not corrected.


Me too.

But my European husband has a different take.

I'm not sure what to do.
Anonymous
What's the recovery period for a re-circumcision of an older boy (over 4)?
Anonymous
The "half-circumcised" ones will grow into that foreskin as they age and look fully circed. Also, they all look the same while erect. No way I'd do anything a second time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What's the recovery period for a re-circumcision of an older boy (over 4)?


1 week.

Hesitated for a long time. Decided to get it over with when other boys made fun of DC during summer camp. DC, above all, is so happy we went through with the recirc.
Anonymous
Wow, this is an old post. I'm the person who quoted the link the first poster on this page is referring to. I didn't say I wouldn't retract to try to avoid adhesions, just that I would not allow them to be surgically broken if they occurred, unless they were on the circ line, as stated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hi,
My son is three, and though it doesn't sound like his situation is quite as obvious, he too did not have enough skin taken off. He had a terrible problem with adhesions for his entire first year - anyone else???

I think it's gotten a bit better since then, but I'm very disheartened to hear that your son is six now. But if it makes you feel any better at all, two pediatricians have told me that this is turning into a very common situation lately because OBs are scared to take off too much skin because of several prominent lawsuits recently. Anyhow, so maybe our sons WILL look like more like a lot of other boys than we think....?


We had our bris in 99' and one again in 2001. Henesch took off way more skin on DS1 than on DS2 2 years later. DS2 has got that whole croissant thing going. I think it is just a style of doing it now--croissant boy did have some adhesion in the first year--and still had some inflammation problems related to keeping it clean until he was 8 or so but he hasn't complained about it lately.
Anonymous
^^ I meant to say that the bris is really just ceremonial. By that I mean that the Torah does not specify how much skin must be removed or anything. Just that it be done. In terms of future sensation for croissant boy's pecker, he's probably better off with the extra skin.
Anonymous
The fact that you (lovingly no doubt) refer to DS2 as "croissant boy" portends of not so good things to come down the road. Boys in locker rooms can be cruel, and such cruel jokes can carry on outside of the locker room. I think the problem is worse when in fact one brother has a different cut than another.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The fact that you (lovingly no doubt) refer to DS2 as "croissant boy" portends of not so good things to come down the road. Boys in locker rooms can be cruel, and such cruel jokes can carry on outside of the locker room. I think the problem is worse when in fact one brother has a different cut than another.


We decided to have our second son recircumcized after a botched job. Now that he has recently reached locker room age, he actually thanked us for it. I felt so barbaric at the time we made the decision, but several years after the fact feel vindicated.
Anonymous
Didn't have time read through all of the responses, but rest assured that doctors are now doing "looser circumcisions" as standard practice. So, your son will not be made fun of in the locker room.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fact that you (lovingly no doubt) refer to DS2 as "croissant boy" portends of not so good things to come down the road. Boys in locker rooms can be cruel, and such cruel jokes can carry on outside of the locker room. I think the problem is worse when in fact one brother has a different cut than another.


We decided to have our second son recircumcized after a botched job. Now that he has recently reached locker room age, he actually thanked us for it. I felt so barbaric at the time we made the decision, but several years after the fact feel vindicated.


+1.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Didn't have time read through all of the responses, but rest assured that doctors are now doing "looser circumcisions" as standard practice. So, your son will not be made fun of in the locker room.


Unless all of your sons are gay, I seriously doubt they'll all be comparing dicks in the locker room. That is the stupidest reason to justify circumcision I've ever heard.

So glad I only have girls. Can't imagine having to pull on my infant baby's shaft to avoid adhesions. It sounds perverse.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Sorry to hijack...but how long to keep pushing back and putting on vaseline? Until what age? I have stopped doing this b/c it feels weird now that DS is 22 months but if I need to I will...


We did this for 5 years and then just said fuck it. Got DS recircumcised. He's now thirteen and in the locker room. Not sure where the PP's son goes to school - but in ours, boys, all boys, look at everyone else's and talk. Boys will be boys. So glad we got DS's recirc. He's actually forgotten about it. I'm sure had we not, it's something we'd be hearing about from him now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Didn't have time read through all of the responses, but rest assured that doctors are now doing "looser circumcisions" as standard practice. So, your son will not be made fun of in the locker room.


Looser circumsisions? A term of art??
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