Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

It also has a strange list of just 92 schools. I don't know if it is only the 92 schools that returned a critical mass of surveys or what.

If you are going to create a list...why would you rank the Top 92 schools...vs. the Top 100 or Top 90?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

[Anonymous]

P&Q is a good source of information in that it works of of recent objective information on placement, salary, and also student surveys. USNWR is a pretty static survey of deans, who don't really know what is going on elsewhere and may be biased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live in MD and my kids was accepted to UVA, W and M and UMD business as a direct admit. They choose UMD and never regretted it. For him the cost of UMD was a lot less (although we told him to go where he wanted). If cost was less or the same for UVA he would have gone there in a heartbeat.

His experience with Smith was good and he got a great job in Tyson’s out of school. Ironically he now lives in Virginia.

OP. Thanks for sharing your kids’ experience. May I ask what his major was? Finance, marketing, accounting,IS?

PP- Double major, Finance/Accounting. Does consulting, passed the CPA, will probably go to law school fall 2025. Has worked 2 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in MD and my kids was accepted to UVA, W and M and UMD business as a direct admit. They choose UMD and never regretted it. For him the cost of UMD was a lot less (although we told him to go where he wanted). If cost was less or the same for UVA he would have gone there in a heartbeat.

His experience with Smith was good and he got a great job in Tyson’s out of school. Ironically he now lives in Virginia.

OP. Thanks for sharing your kids’ experience. May I ask what his major was? Finance, marketing, accounting,IS?

PP- Double major, Finance/Accounting. Does consulting, passed the CPA, will probably go to law school fall 2025. Has worked 2 years.

Also, going to UMD in state with scholarship was probably a good idea, there is money left in college savings to help with the Law School Tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?

+1 yea that ranking looks suspect to me. It does rely on surveys. If the school doesn't submit the survey, then they don't list it.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/the-methodology-behind-pqs-2023-undergraduate-b-school-rankings/

we included all schools that submitted school surveys. In previous year’s we’ve not included schools that failed to meet a minimum 10% alumni response rate. Of the 92 schools ranked this year, 80 met the minimum 10% response rate, three less than last year, our second-highest ever. In the past, schools that did not meet the minimum response rate did not have any alumni data included, which significantly lowered their ranking. To help mitigate those fluctuations and reward schools for the alumni data they were able to gather, we included last year’s alumni data for all schools that met the minimum response rate and we included this year’s data on a sliding scale based on response rates. For example, if a school had a 10% or higher response rate, it got the full amount of its alumni data. But if a school had a 9% response rate, it’d only get 90% of its alumni data.

There is no perfect ranking, to be sure, so you can poke holes at any of them.

Even so, GAtech, a fine school that my DC applied to for CS, wouldn't be one I would pay oos for undergrad in business, and I have an undergrad in business.

[Anonymous]

Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?

+1 yea that ranking looks suspect to me. It does rely on surveys. If the school doesn't submit the survey, then they don't list it.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/the-methodology-behind-pqs-2023-undergraduate-b-school-rankings/

we included all schools that submitted school surveys. In previous year’s we’ve not included schools that failed to meet a minimum 10% alumni response rate. Of the 92 schools ranked this year, 80 met the minimum 10% response rate, three less than last year, our second-highest ever. In the past, schools that did not meet the minimum response rate did not have any alumni data included, which significantly lowered their ranking. To help mitigate those fluctuations and reward schools for the alumni data they were able to gather, we included last year’s alumni data for all schools that met the minimum response rate and we included this year’s data on a sliding scale based on response rates. For example, if a school had a 10% or higher response rate, it got the full amount of its alumni data. But if a school had a 9% response rate, it’d only get 90% of its alumni data.

There is no perfect ranking, to be sure, so you can poke holes at any of them.

Even so, GAtech, a fine school that my DC applied to for CS, wouldn't be one I would pay oos for undergrad in business, and I have an undergrad in business.

It isn't perfect, but it is about the only source for real relevant information on undergraduate business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).

lol.. then who does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?

+1 yea that ranking looks suspect to me. It does rely on surveys. If the school doesn't submit the survey, then they don't list it.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/the-methodology-behind-pqs-2023-undergraduate-b-school-rankings/

we included all schools that submitted school surveys. In previous year’s we’ve not included schools that failed to meet a minimum 10% alumni response rate. Of the 92 schools ranked this year, 80 met the minimum 10% response rate, three less than last year, our second-highest ever. In the past, schools that did not meet the minimum response rate did not have any alumni data included, which significantly lowered their ranking. To help mitigate those fluctuations and reward schools for the alumni data they were able to gather, we included last year’s alumni data for all schools that met the minimum response rate and we included this year’s data on a sliding scale based on response rates. For example, if a school had a 10% or higher response rate, it got the full amount of its alumni data. But if a school had a 9% response rate, it’d only get 90% of its alumni data.

There is no perfect ranking, to be sure, so you can poke holes at any of them.

Even so, GAtech, a fine school that my DC applied to for CS, wouldn't be one I would pay oos for undergrad in business, and I have an undergrad in business.

It isn't perfect, but it is about the only source for real relevant information on undergraduate business.

US News rankings of business programs at least past the sniff test. P&Q does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?

+1 yea that ranking looks suspect to me. It does rely on surveys. If the school doesn't submit the survey, then they don't list it.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/the-methodology-behind-pqs-2023-undergraduate-b-school-rankings/

we included all schools that submitted school surveys. In previous year’s we’ve not included schools that failed to meet a minimum 10% alumni response rate. Of the 92 schools ranked this year, 80 met the minimum 10% response rate, three less than last year, our second-highest ever. In the past, schools that did not meet the minimum response rate did not have any alumni data included, which significantly lowered their ranking. To help mitigate those fluctuations and reward schools for the alumni data they were able to gather, we included last year’s alumni data for all schools that met the minimum response rate and we included this year’s data on a sliding scale based on response rates. For example, if a school had a 10% or higher response rate, it got the full amount of its alumni data. But if a school had a 9% response rate, it’d only get 90% of its alumni data.

There is no perfect ranking, to be sure, so you can poke holes at any of them.

Even so, GAtech, a fine school that my DC applied to for CS, wouldn't be one I would pay oos for undergrad in business, and I have an undergrad in business.

It isn't perfect, but it is about the only source for real relevant information on undergraduate business.

It's only as useful in as much as the data that they have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

P&Q is largely based on alumni survey.

That ranking has GAtech for as #10. GATech is a great school, but I would not call it #10 for business undergrad.

P&Q also has information from the institutions like placements, etc.

I have no dog in this fight but can P&Q ranking be THAT useful? None of the CA publics are on the list, no Texas, UMD or Florida. Yet Ithaca, Christopher Newport and Michigan-Dearborn are?

+1 yea that ranking looks suspect to me. It does rely on surveys. If the school doesn't submit the survey, then they don't list it.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/rankings/the-methodology-behind-pqs-2023-undergraduate-b-school-rankings/

we included all schools that submitted school surveys. In previous year’s we’ve not included schools that failed to meet a minimum 10% alumni response rate. Of the 92 schools ranked this year, 80 met the minimum 10% response rate, three less than last year, our second-highest ever. In the past, schools that did not meet the minimum response rate did not have any alumni data included, which significantly lowered their ranking. To help mitigate those fluctuations and reward schools for the alumni data they were able to gather, we included last year’s alumni data for all schools that met the minimum response rate and we included this year’s data on a sliding scale based on response rates. For example, if a school had a 10% or higher response rate, it got the full amount of its alumni data. But if a school had a 9% response rate, it’d only get 90% of its alumni data.

There is no perfect ranking, to be sure, so you can poke holes at any of them.

Even so, GAtech, a fine school that my DC applied to for CS, wouldn't be one I would pay oos for undergrad in business, and I have an undergrad in business.

It isn't perfect, but it is about the only source for real relevant information on undergraduate business.

US News rankings of business programs at least past the sniff test. P&Q does not.

US News doesn't pass the sniff test. If it did, it would have information people really want like salaries and placement. It does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poets and Quants is the only ranking source that matters now for undergrad business, MBAs, etc. I don't make the rules. It does have Wharton #1 in the 2024 rankings, which most would agree about (UVa stayed at #4).

That is a complete crock of s**t and you know it. USNews, WSJ, Peak Framework (this ranking just literally tracks how many college undergraduates are hired by investment banks and P/E firms).

Poets & Quants is the only one to rank UVA as high as it does...which is why you think it is the only one that matters. It is also the most bizarre as PP has mentioned since it has none of the UC schools and plenty of other schools that absolutely have well-respected business programs.