Undergrad Business School - UMD vs UVA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the clubs PP mentioned are not sports-related clubs for business-related clubs like investment clubs, Alternative Investment Fund (AIF), Cavalytics Club, Smart Woman Securities or Colonnade Capital Partners

exactly, the PP gave the example of club sports but it is likely the least important of all the clubs they would be part of.

To the OP, since they have not ever before done McIntire admissions in first year, there is simply no way of telling who will get in and what they will have been involved with. The one thing that is absolutely true is that it is holistic admissions and a high GPA does not guarantee your admittance. My Ds's roommate is in McIntire and he was in a few clubs, but did not get into the "top" financial clubs which are considered McIntire fast track clubs. Even without those traditional pathways to McIntire admission, he was accepted with a 3.9+ GPA and some interesting club leadership roles such as VP of finance in his fraternity and president of another club related to his double major (not finance). Clearly if he'd applied as a first year, he would not have that those two leadership roles so I am sure it will change the admission trends and there's no telling how.

I will say at UVA everything is competitive. Everything. It's an extremely humbling experience. I think that's a good thing but sometimes it is a bit much. Club sports are extremely competitive, but again not necessary to be on your resume for McIntire app. I think OP that your DS's music may be a good way to differentiate himself. My DS is in the student run orchestra and there are leadership roles that can be held there as well. But again, a first year is not getting a leadership role in any club so it will really not be as important.

UVA McIntire vs UMD? World's apart in opportunity.

Explain worlds apart in opportunity. UMD is ranked #21 and UVA is #12. On what basis can you make that claim…do you even know what opportunity is available to UMD grads?

Really? You're gonna argue this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the clubs PP mentioned are not sports-related clubs for business-related clubs like investment clubs, Alternative Investment Fund (AIF), Cavalytics Club, Smart Woman Securities or Colonnade Capital Partners

exactly, the PP gave the example of club sports but it is likely the least important of all the clubs they would be part of.

To the OP, since they have not ever before done McIntire admissions in first year, there is simply no way of telling who will get in and what they will have been involved with. The one thing that is absolutely true is that it is holistic admissions and a high GPA does not guarantee your admittance. My Ds's roommate is in McIntire and he was in a few clubs, but did not get into the "top" financial clubs which are considered McIntire fast track clubs. Even without those traditional pathways to McIntire admission, he was accepted with a 3.9+ GPA and some interesting club leadership roles such as VP of finance in his fraternity and president of another club related to his double major (not finance). Clearly if he'd applied as a first year, he would not have that those two leadership roles so I am sure it will change the admission trends and there's no telling how.

I will say at UVA everything is competitive. Everything. It's an extremely humbling experience. I think that's a good thing but sometimes it is a bit much. Club sports are extremely competitive, but again not necessary to be on your resume for McIntire app. I think OP that your DS's music may be a good way to differentiate himself. My DS is in the student run orchestra and there are leadership roles that can be held there as well. But again, a first year is not getting a leadership role in any club so it will really not be as important.

UVA McIntire vs UMD? World's apart in opportunity.

Explain worlds apart in opportunity. UMD is ranked #21 and UVA is #12. On what basis can you make that claim…do you even know what opportunity is available to UMD grads?

Really? You're gonna argue this?

Give me examples. I guarantee any example you give isn’t unique to UVA over UMD.

[Anonymous]

My DS is finishing up as in state McIntire student. His year, the acceptance rate was closer to 50%. Definitely want to try to get into one of the selective clubs. In addition, he focused on the impact he could have on the community. McIntire is trying to recruit students who may not have had as many opportunities. So if there is anything that your DC can do to show how they are helping impact the broader community, that can strengthen out their application. And of course stellar grades. DS had two really strong internships in Finance and locked in his post grad job in October of fourth year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the clubs PP mentioned are not sports-related clubs for business-related clubs like investment clubs, Alternative Investment Fund (AIF), Cavalytics Club, Smart Woman Securities or Colonnade Capital Partners

exactly, the PP gave the example of club sports but it is likely the least important of all the clubs they would be part of.

To the OP, since they have not ever before done McIntire admissions in first year, there is simply no way of telling who will get in and what they will have been involved with. The one thing that is absolutely true is that it is holistic admissions and a high GPA does not guarantee your admittance. My Ds's roommate is in McIntire and he was in a few clubs, but did not get into the "top" financial clubs which are considered McIntire fast track clubs. Even without those traditional pathways to McIntire admission, he was accepted with a 3.9+ GPA and some interesting club leadership roles such as VP of finance in his fraternity and president of another club related to his double major (not finance). Clearly if he'd applied as a first year, he would not have that those two leadership roles so I am sure it will change the admission trends and there's no telling how.

I will say at UVA everything is competitive. Everything. It's an extremely humbling experience. I think that's a good thing but sometimes it is a bit much. Club sports are extremely competitive, but again not necessary to be on your resume for McIntire app. I think OP that your DS's music may be a good way to differentiate himself. My DS is in the student run orchestra and there are leadership roles that can be held there as well. But again, a first year is not getting a leadership role in any club so it will really not be as important.

UVA McIntire vs UMD? World's apart in opportunity.

Explain worlds apart in opportunity. UMD is ranked #21 and UVA is #12. On what basis can you make that claim…do you even know what opportunity is available to UMD grads?

Really? You're gonna argue this?

Do you concede that Wharton opportunities are worlds apart from UVA?

[Anonymous]

Wharton #3
UVa #4
Poets and Quants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wharton #3
UVa #4
Poets and Quants

Who cares…USNews Wharton #1 and UVA #12…WSJ…you don’t want that because UVA ranking is so embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UMD isn’t ranked. At all.

Huh…it’s #21 for business by USNews.

[Anonymous]

Back to OP’s question rather than the stupid pissing match so typical of this site. Given how admission to McIntire is changing, seems even more unpredictable than usual to have a sense of what type of students will be admitted to the school. But what a PP said is accurate.
Almost everything at UVA that requires an application or tryout is extremely competitive. Even volunteering thru the student run volunteer center requires an application. It can be a shock to kids who are very smart, hardworking and generally accustomed to succeeding. So doubtful entrance to McIntire will get any easier.

[TheSpanishDoctor]

I wrote a letter of rec for a student to get into McIntire. She didn't get in, but she was a VA resident and stayed and graduated with a different major. An OOS kid asked me to write a recommendation as well. He, however, wasn't sure if he'd get into McIntire, so his recommendation was for the colleges he was applying to in case he had to transfer. He could not see his future at UVA if he were not to get into McIntire.

[Anonymous]

If music is important, choose UMD and hope for some merit money. But if you can’t afford OOS then choose Va and hope your dc makes the cut. Save the difference for grad school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to OP’s question rather than the stupid pissing match so typical of this site. Given how admission to McIntire is changing, seems even more unpredictable than usual to have a sense of what type of students will be admitted to the school. But what a PP said is accurate.
Almost everything at UVA that requires an application or tryout is extremely competitive. Even volunteering thru the student run volunteer center requires an application. It can be a shock to kids who are very smart, hardworking and generally accustomed to succeeding. So doubtful entrance to McIntire will get any easier.

OP. Thanks for tips and getting this train back on track. Although it is interesting to see the differing views on McIntire vs Smith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If music is important, choose UMD and hope for some merit money. But if you can’t afford OOS then choose Va and hope your dc makes the cut. Save the difference for grad school.

OP. Great point especially if DC decides not to pursuit Wall Street.

[Anonymous]

We live in MD and my kids was accepted to UVA, W and M and UMD business as a direct admit. They choose UMD and never regretted it. For him the cost of UMD was a lot less (although we told him to go where he wanted). If cost was less or the same for UVA he would have gone there in a heartbeat.

His experience with Smith was good and he got a great job in Tyson’s out of school. Ironically he now lives in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We live in MD and my kids was accepted to UVA, W and M and UMD business as a direct admit. They choose UMD and never regretted it. For him the cost of UMD was a lot less (although we told him to go where he wanted). If cost was less or the same for UVA he would have gone there in a heartbeat.

His experience with Smith was good and he got a great job in Tyson’s out of school. Ironically he now lives in Virginia.

OP. Thanks for sharing your kids’ experience. May I ask what his major was? Finance, marketing, accounting,IS?