Counter-protesting the March for Life?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my experience, most of the March for Life "protesters" are just kids and their chaperones bussed in from the various Catholic schools within a few hours' drive of DC. They are handed pre-printed signs, but I think most of them could care less about the "cause." More like organized astroturf than an actual protest. Every now and then you might see some random MAGA pro-lifers among them but otherwise I've always found the March for Life to be pretty pathetic.

Wow, aren't you a charmer. I happen to be pro-choice, but I respect those who aren't. According to you, March for Life participants are frauds. Arrogant, much?

I no longer respect anti choice protestors who want to take away a whole nations right to choose.

Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.

What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."

Absolutely false and calling you out. I have seen plenty of pro-life and pro-choice events in DC over the 20 years I've been here, and have never seen schools organizing and sending busloads of students to pro-choice protests. Never. You are fabricating a totally false whataboutism here.

JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.

Oh BS. You know exactly what “school groups” means and it’s a group organized by the school. Not some school-aged kids who separately decide to attend a protest.

BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?

Dp-
Oh look! The belligerent dumbass wants us to educate ourselves. Lovely.

Yep, this idiotic "BUT SCHOOLS ARE ORGANIZING AND SENDING BUSLOADS OF PRO-CHOICERS TO PROTEST" poster is suffering one of the worst whataboutism fails I've seen in quite some time.

Since that was never said, it's really you who is looking like an idiotic, belligerent dumbass by insisting otherwise. Do better and learn to read.

Person A:
“Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.”

Person B:
“What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."”

If you’re going to call names, you should understand implications, too. With every post forced birthers write, their odious natures are exposed a little more.

Funny that you forgot this part (and you are exemplifying the odious nature of LWNJs):

Person A:
"JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.
BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Patriot Front are feds.

Nope. There was a guy there with an outstanding warrant from the Idaho armed protest - you said those guys were Feds too and none of them were.

This constant "they're feds" crap is bullshit, and it's tiresome. These guys have been repeatedly arrested, repeatedly exposed and investigated, and NOT A SINGLE ONE has been a "fed."

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/sep/26/patriot-front-members-plead-to-infraction-25-of-31/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/08/07/patriot-front-doxxing-lawsuit/70517798007/

et cetera

What does Patriot Front actually do besides go to rallies dressed like they want to sell me a new phone service?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

You’ll be glad that no one is advocating for abortions post viability unless the mother’s life is in danger then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

You’ll be glad that no one is advocating for abortions post viability unless the mother’s life is in danger then.

I mean given the massive amount of flipping out I remember seeing over multiple week limits about “how that was essentially a ban on abortion”…

And given many states have the limitnat 24 weeks… that might actually be too late. Plenty of cases of babies surviving long term who were between 21 and 24 weeks—if you think that’s still acceptable then you should have no issue whatsoever with a parent deciding to euthanize a child/baby at any point after birth either.
I’d also assume people who see no problem with abortions at that point to also view miscarriages as no big deal and overdramatic as well. “Okay you lost your fetus before it was born, umm it still was never a person.”

Like, it you’re not that dismissive of the actual feeling of massive loss that miscarriages can bring… and view that potential life as worthy of grief in the same way a deceased 1 month old/6 month/year/toddler/ES student/tween/teen would be mourned..l then.. idk.. google cognitive dissonance?..


I honestly, also believe if the fetus has no physiological issues whatsoever, you should be at any point after 12 weeks, required to watch a video of an actual abortion. I’ve seen one, and me—as someone who always has leaned more pro-choice… well.. it’s mademe a lot more certain of the necessity of hard limits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

You’ll be glad that no one is advocating for abortions post viability unless the mother’s life is in danger then.

I mean given the massive amount of flipping out I remember seeing over multiple week limits about “how that was essentially a ban on abortion”…

And given many states have the limitnat 24 weeks… that might actually be too late. Plenty of cases of babies surviving long term who were between 21 and 24 weeks—if you think that’s still acceptable then you should have no issue whatsoever with a parent deciding to euthanize a child/baby at any point after birth either.
I’d also assume people who see no problem with abortions at that point to also view miscarriages as no big deal and overdramatic as well. “Okay you lost your fetus before it was born, umm it still was never a person.”

Like, it you’re not that dismissive of the actual feeling of massive loss that miscarriages can bring… and view that potential life as worthy of grief in the same way a deceased 1 month old/6 month/year/toddler/ES student/tween/teen would be mourned..l then.. idk.. google cognitive dissonance?..


I honestly, also believe if the fetus has no physiological issues whatsoever, you should be at any point after 12 weeks, required to watch a video of an actual abortion. I’ve seen one, and me—as someone who always has leaned more pro-choice… well.. it’s mademe a lot more certain of the necessity of hard limits.

Most of us do not in any way equate the loss of a pregnancy (even at late stages) with the loss of a child.
Those things aren’t the same.
Please go to a licensed therapist and talk about this. Someone showing you a video of an abortion should not cause you to spiral like this. You’re typing pages here, and it’s not helping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

You’ll be glad that no one is advocating for abortions post viability unless the mother’s life is in danger then.

I mean given the massive amount of flipping out I remember seeing over multiple week limits about “how that was essentially a ban on abortion”…
[…]

Hey babes. Less than one percent of all abortions takes place after 20 weeks. Just because they are few doesn’t mean they’re unnecessary and it’s weird how people like you obsess over this minuscule fraction of abortions when forced birther states have banned abortion from conception.

Why do you think someone should watch an abortion? Maybe you should be forced to watch the recorded videos of families who couldn’t get an abortion for their WANTED child whose guts were developing completely out its little body. You should have to watch the labor, delivery and the heartache as the mother gets to watch her baby slowly die in her arms. Because that’s what we’re talking about here, not a woman changing her mind at seven months.

In other words I think you’re a teensy bit intellectually dishonest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Patriot Front are feds.

Nope. There was a guy there with an outstanding warrant from the Idaho armed protest - you said those guys were Feds too and none of them were.

This constant "they're feds" crap is bullshit, and it's tiresome. These guys have been repeatedly arrested, repeatedly exposed and investigated, and NOT A SINGLE ONE has been a "fed."

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/sep/26/patriot-front-members-plead-to-infraction-25-of-31/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/08/07/patriot-front-doxxing-lawsuit/70517798007/

et cetera

What does Patriot Front actually do besides go to rallies dressed like they want to sell me a new phone service?

Read up on the Charlottesville neo-nazi protest a few years ago that turned quite bloody. That's what they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

You’ll be glad that no one is advocating for abortions post viability unless the mother’s life is in danger then.

I mean given the massive amount of flipping out I remember seeing over multiple week limits about “how that was essentially a ban on abortion”…
[…]

Hey babes. Less than one percent of all abortions takes place after 20 weeks. Just because they are few doesn’t mean they’re unnecessary and it’s weird how people like you obsess over this minuscule fraction of abortions when forced birther states have banned abortion from conception.

Why do you think someone should watch an abortion? Maybe you should be forced to watch the recorded videos of families who couldn’t get an abortion for their WANTED child whose guts were developing completely out its little body. You should have to watch the labor, delivery and the heartache as the mother gets to watch her baby slowly die in her arms. Because that’s what we’re talking about here, not a woman changing her mind at seven months.

In other words I think you’re a teensy bit intellectually dishonest.

+ 1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my experience, most of the March for Life "protesters" are just kids and their chaperones bussed in from the various Catholic schools within a few hours' drive of DC. They are handed pre-printed signs, but I think most of them could care less about the "cause." More like organized astroturf than an actual protest. Every now and then you might see some random MAGA pro-lifers among them but otherwise I've always found the March for Life to be pretty pathetic.

Wow, aren't you a charmer. I happen to be pro-choice, but I respect those who aren't. According to you, March for Life participants are frauds. Arrogant, much?

I no longer respect anti choice protestors who want to take away a whole nations right to choose.

Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.

What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."

Absolutely false and calling you out. I have seen plenty of pro-life and pro-choice events in DC over the 20 years I've been here, and have never seen schools organizing and sending busloads of students to pro-choice protests. Never. You are fabricating a totally false whataboutism here.

JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.

Oh BS. You know exactly what “school groups” means and it’s a group organized by the school. Not some school-aged kids who separately decide to attend a protest.

BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?

Dp-
Oh look! The belligerent dumbass wants us to educate ourselves. Lovely.

Yep, this idiotic "BUT SCHOOLS ARE ORGANIZING AND SENDING BUSLOADS OF PRO-CHOICERS TO PROTEST" poster is suffering one of the worst whataboutism fails I've seen in quite some time.

Since that was never said, it's really you who is looking like an idiotic, belligerent dumbass by insisting otherwise. Do better and learn to read.

Person A:
“Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.”

Person B:
“What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."”

If you’re going to call names, you should understand implications, too. With every post forced birthers write, their odious natures are exposed a little more.

Funny that you forgot this part (and you are exemplifying the odious nature of LWNJs):

Person A:
"JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.
BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?"

Still a HUGE difference between an official school-sponsored, school-funded, school-organized effort to attend a pro-life rally, coordinated across hundreds of schools and involving entire classes and multiple entire busloads using the paid-for school buses, with pre-printed signs and banners, with school faculty on the clock and paid to organize and paid to be there and they constitute 90% plus of the protest... it's a complete astroturf, as pointed out at the beginning of the thread.

That, as compared to the pro-choice side being a much more organic turnout of which a much much smaller fraction of which consists of students, who are entirely self-organized and self-funded, with homemade signs and banners that actually express their personal beliefs, passions and views as compared to the pre-printed schlock the pro-lifers are handed when they arrive on the National Mall. No amount of bolded yelling is going to make the pro-lifers look any more genuine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the one side, people protesting abortion rights while withholding food aid to poor children. These people think that if a girl or woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, that the girl or woman should spend 9 months pregnant with the rapist’s child. Then at birth, in some states, the rapist has parental rights.

Best case scenario is the baby is adopted (if father’s parental rights do not prevent the adoption) and one day, the now teenager discovers his father was a rapist. Let’s have a generation of rapist’s babies!

Or maybe you have a two parent family with, say, three kids. The woman becomes pregnant unintentionally, or she is pregnant and the man loses his job/ becomes disabled in an accident/ the woman is diagnosed with cancer. The most important thing is this scenario is obviously the embryo/ fetus. Let’s decide for the parents where their money, energy, and priorities lay. It’s crucial the woman gives birth.

If you have a business and someone comes to the door and says, give me a job. The business can say, Sorry. I don’t have the resources to take care of you. But a pregnant woman needs to say yes, yes, yes, yes.

And on the other hand is the concept that the pregnant woman should get to decide what is best for her. Revolutionary.

I’ve deliberately said pregnant girl/woman instead of pregnant person because I’m fine with pregnant person but I think most pregnant people are girls or women. That whole pregnant person thing is not of major interest to me. Abortion rights, that’s my #1 issue.

I don’t disagree that the conservative viewpoint on abortion is out of touch and ridiculous in many ways. Including the fact that they’re more concerned with unborn babies than they are with starving kids.

But there need to be limits. Late term, post-viability abortions? No. Not unless there’s extreme extenuating circumstances.

If you think it’s okay to abort a fetus even though it’s at the point where it could survive outside of the womb. That’s a arbitrary distinction and I can poke holes in any argument in favor of it, to the same extent that I can poke holes in conservatives’ blanket abortion bans.

You’ll be glad that no one is advocating for abortions post viability unless the mother’s life is in danger then.

I mean given the massive amount of flipping out I remember seeing over multiple week limits about “how that was essentially a ban on abortion”…
[…]

Hey babes. Less than one percent of all abortions takes place after 20 weeks. Just because they are few doesn’t mean they’re unnecessary and it’s weird how people like you obsess over this minuscule fraction of abortions when forced birther states have banned abortion from conception.

Why do you think someone should watch an abortion? Maybe you should be forced to watch the recorded videos of families who couldn’t get an abortion for their WANTED child whose guts were developing completely out its little body. You should have to watch the labor, delivery and the heartache as the mother gets to watch her baby slowly die in her arms. Because that’s what we’re talking about here, not a woman changing her mind at seven months.

In other words I think you’re a teensy bit intellectually dishonest.

This. Exactly this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my experience, most of the March for Life "protesters" are just kids and their chaperones bussed in from the various Catholic schools within a few hours' drive of DC. They are handed pre-printed signs, but I think most of them could care less about the "cause." More like organized astroturf than an actual protest. Every now and then you might see some random MAGA pro-lifers among them but otherwise I've always found the March for Life to be pretty pathetic.

Wow, aren't you a charmer. I happen to be pro-choice, but I respect those who aren't. According to you, March for Life participants are frauds. Arrogant, much?

I no longer respect anti choice protestors who want to take away a whole nations right to choose.

Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.

What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."

Absolutely false and calling you out. I have seen plenty of pro-life and pro-choice events in DC over the 20 years I've been here, and have never seen schools organizing and sending busloads of students to pro-choice protests. Never. You are fabricating a totally false whataboutism here.

JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.

Oh BS. You know exactly what “school groups” means and it’s a group organized by the school. Not some school-aged kids who separately decide to attend a protest.

BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?

Dp-
Oh look! The belligerent dumbass wants us to educate ourselves. Lovely.

Yep, this idiotic "BUT SCHOOLS ARE ORGANIZING AND SENDING BUSLOADS OF PRO-CHOICERS TO PROTEST" poster is suffering one of the worst whataboutism fails I've seen in quite some time.

Since that was never said, it's really you who is looking like an idiotic, belligerent dumbass by insisting otherwise. Do better and learn to read.

Person A:
“Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.”

Person B:
“What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."”

If you’re going to call names, you should understand implications, too. With every post forced birthers write, their odious natures are exposed a little more.

Funny that you forgot this part (and you are exemplifying the odious nature of LWNJs):

Person A:
"JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.
BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?"

Still a HUGE difference between an official school-sponsored, school-funded, school-organized effort to attend a pro-life rally, coordinated across hundreds of schools and involving entire classes and multiple entire busloads using the paid-for school buses, with pre-printed signs and banners, with school faculty on the clock and paid to organize and paid to be there and they constitute 90% plus of the protest... it's a complete astroturf, as pointed out at the beginning of the thread.

That, as compared to the pro-choice side being a much more organic turnout of which a much much smaller fraction of which consists of students, who are entirely self-organized and self-funded, with homemade signs and banners that actually express their personal beliefs, passions and views as compared to the pre-printed schlock the pro-lifers are handed when they arrive on the National Mall. No amount of bolded yelling is going to make the pro-lifers look any more genuine.

The forced birther pp who keeps missing the point you and other have made is going to keep missing the point because his existence depends on missing the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my experience, most of the March for Life "protesters" are just kids and their chaperones bussed in from the various Catholic schools within a few hours' drive of DC. They are handed pre-printed signs, but I think most of them could care less about the "cause." More like organized astroturf than an actual protest. Every now and then you might see some random MAGA pro-lifers among them but otherwise I've always found the March for Life to be pretty pathetic.

Wow, aren't you a charmer. I happen to be pro-choice, but I respect those who aren't. According to you, March for Life participants are frauds. Arrogant, much?

I no longer respect anti choice protestors who want to take away a whole nations right to choose.

Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.

What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."

Absolutely false and calling you out. I have seen plenty of pro-life and pro-choice events in DC over the 20 years I've been here, and have never seen schools organizing and sending busloads of students to pro-choice protests. Never. You are fabricating a totally false whataboutism here.

JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.

Oh BS. You know exactly what “school groups” means and it’s a group organized by the school. Not some school-aged kids who separately decide to attend a protest.

BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?

Dp-
Oh look! The belligerent dumbass wants us to educate ourselves. Lovely.

Yep, this idiotic "BUT SCHOOLS ARE ORGANIZING AND SENDING BUSLOADS OF PRO-CHOICERS TO PROTEST" poster is suffering one of the worst whataboutism fails I've seen in quite some time.

Since that was never said, it's really you who is looking like an idiotic, belligerent dumbass by insisting otherwise. Do better and learn to read.

Person A:
“Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.”

Person B:
“What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."”

If you’re going to call names, you should understand implications, too. With every post forced birthers write, their odious natures are exposed a little more.

Funny that you forgot this part (and you are exemplifying the odious nature of LWNJs):

Person A:
"JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.
BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?"

Still a HUGE difference between an official school-sponsored, school-funded, school-organized effort to attend a pro-life rally, coordinated across hundreds of schools and involving entire classes and multiple entire busloads using the paid-for school buses, with pre-printed signs and banners, with school faculty on the clock and paid to organize and paid to be there and they constitute 90% plus of the protest... it's a complete astroturf, as pointed out at the beginning of the thread.

That, as compared to the pro-choice side being a much more organic turnout of which a much much smaller fraction of which consists of students, who are entirely self-organized and self-funded, with homemade signs and banners that actually express their personal beliefs, passions and views as compared to the pre-printed schlock the pro-lifers are handed when they arrive on the National Mall. No amount of bolded yelling is going to make the pro-lifers look any more genuine.

Wow, I actually laughed out loud at the scathing, critical, disparaging description of one group of protesters (plus the misused term "astroturfing") as compared to the glowing, angelic, wholesome, completely "organic" description of the other group. Too, too funny. You do realize that the group you hate so much is ALSO expressing their personal beliefs, passions, and views - right? Or is it only people you agree with who are doing that?

And again - I'm pro-choice. But apparently in your world, only one set of protesters are legitimate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my experience, most of the March for Life "protesters" are just kids and their chaperones bussed in from the various Catholic schools within a few hours' drive of DC. They are handed pre-printed signs, but I think most of them could care less about the "cause." More like organized astroturf than an actual protest. Every now and then you might see some random MAGA pro-lifers among them but otherwise I've always found the March for Life to be pretty pathetic.

Wow, aren't you a charmer. I happen to be pro-choice, but I respect those who aren't. According to you, March for Life participants are frauds. Arrogant, much?

I no longer respect anti choice protestors who want to take away a whole nations right to choose.

Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.

What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."

Absolutely false and calling you out. I have seen plenty of pro-life and pro-choice events in DC over the 20 years I've been here, and have never seen schools organizing and sending busloads of students to pro-choice protests. Never. You are fabricating a totally false whataboutism here.

JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.

Oh BS. You know exactly what “school groups” means and it’s a group organized by the school. Not some school-aged kids who separately decide to attend a protest.

BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?

Dp-
Oh look! The belligerent dumbass wants us to educate ourselves. Lovely.

Yep, this idiotic "BUT SCHOOLS ARE ORGANIZING AND SENDING BUSLOADS OF PRO-CHOICERS TO PROTEST" poster is suffering one of the worst whataboutism fails I've seen in quite some time.

Since that was never said, it's really you who is looking like an idiotic, belligerent dumbass by insisting otherwise. Do better and learn to read.

Person A:
“Imagine if the rest of us started bussing private secular school kids in to counter protest. There would be much wailing about unfairness.”

Person B:
“What are you babbling about? Pro-choice protesters are made up of school groups as well. Such an idiotic "argument."”

If you’re going to call names, you should understand implications, too. With every post forced birthers write, their odious natures are exposed a little more.

Funny that you forgot this part (and you are exemplifying the odious nature of LWNJs):

Person A:
"JFC. Read what I said and then read my last post. It is YOU who is twisting my words. I never said schools organize and bus these kids - but school groups absolutely attend the pro-choice marches. They get there by Metro or parents drive them. So now I’m calling YOU out.
BS yourself. Many high schools have pro-choice clubs that organize trips to the march. The school itself isn’t involved, but the clubs are extracurricular activities that meet at school and as such, can organize outings like that as they please. Some are called Gender Alliance, ACLU, ERA Activists, Organization of Women’s Empowerment, etc. Maybe educate yourself a little before spouting off?"

Still a HUGE difference between an official school-sponsored, school-funded, school-organized effort to attend a pro-life rally, coordinated across hundreds of schools and involving entire classes and multiple entire busloads using the paid-for school buses, with pre-printed signs and banners, with school faculty on the clock and paid to organize and paid to be there and they constitute 90% plus of the protest... it's a complete astroturf, as pointed out at the beginning of the thread.

That, as compared to the pro-choice side being a much more organic turnout of which a much much smaller fraction of which consists of students, who are entirely self-organized and self-funded, with homemade signs and banners that actually express their personal beliefs, passions and views as compared to the pre-printed schlock the pro-lifers are handed when they arrive on the National Mall. No amount of bolded yelling is going to make the pro-lifers look any more genuine.

Wow, I actually laughed out loud at the scathing, critical, disparaging description of one group of protesters (plus the misused term "astroturfing") as compared to the glowing, angelic, wholesome, completely "organic" description of the other group. Too, too funny. You do realize that the group you hate so much is ALSO expressing their personal beliefs, passions, and views - right? Or is it only people you agree with who are doing that?

And again - I'm pro-choice. But apparently in your world, only one set of protesters are legitimate.

When the Catholic church buses in a couple hundred school children who haven’t experienced the issue at hand and know nothing about it for a fun day out of school vs students who decide of their own volition to attend rallies for things that they are independently interested in, yes one of those sets of protestors is legitimate and one is essentially astroturfed.

[Anonymous]

It is a violation of federal law to be present on the Capitol grounds without authorization.