Do you fly the 737 Max?

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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


If there had been a passenger in that window seat, they would have been dead.
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero

Stop acting like nothing else matters outside of US or Americans don’t fly outside of US. Hundreds have them kill OUTSIDE of US.
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


If there had been a passenger in that window seat, they would have been dead.


Only if not attached with seat belt. A headrest and seat back were sucked out.

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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


There is a pattern of oversight failures and sloppiness with the 737 Max. People are right to be concerned.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/737-max-crashes-killed-346-were-horrific-culmination-failures-boeing-n1240192
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


If there had been a passenger in that window seat, they would have been dead.


Only if not attached with seat belt. A headrest and seat back were sucked out.



The injuries would have been fatal.
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


If there had been a passenger in that window seat, they would have been dead.


Only if not attached with seat belt. A headrest and seat back were sucked out.


Wrong. The woman partially sucked out of the Southwest plane in 2018 was still attached by her seatbelt but the trauma to her upper body. https://abc13.com/amp/philadelphia-southwest-airlines-emergency-landing-international-airport/4691167/
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


There is a pattern of oversight failures and sloppiness with the 737 Max. People are right to be concerned.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/737-max-crashes-killed-346-were-horrific-culmination-failures-boeing-n1240192


There's no way I'm getting on one of those planes. Boeing keeps cutting corners on safety.
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


If there had been a passenger in that window seat, they would have been dead.


Only if not attached with seat belt. A headrest and seat back were sucked out.


Wrong. The woman partially sucked out of the Southwest plane in 2018 was still attached by her seatbelt but the trauma to her upper body. https://abc13.com/amp/philadelphia-southwest-airlines-emergency-landing-international-airport/4691167/


I think the trauma was due to having head and torso forced through a small space. Maybe impact of glass pieces also.
Although I agree there could be trauma due to shearing forces on torso.

Im usually a window seat person, maybe will change to aisle from here on.
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


There is a pattern of oversight failures and sloppiness with the 737 Max. People are right to be concerned.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/737-max-crashes-killed-346-were-horrific-culmination-failures-boeing-n1240192


You are absolutely right that Boeing and the FAA screwed up royally when it came to the MCAS system, and it was a glaring example of how Boeing has changed as a company. At the same time, with the modifications and improvements since then, the plane is safe enough that it's simply not worth the average person's effort to parse out the minute differences in odds of an issue between it and other plane types.

There is also zero indication that the incident in yesterday's Alaska flight has anything to do with the plane design- my initial guess is a manufacturing fault that wasn't picked up in QC. Extremely rare, and can happen to anything. That's why you have multiple layers of safety systems. Those layers worked in this case. The action of grounding an entire fleet type is something that the FAA often does after an event like this, often before they have any evidence of a systemic issue, as a precaution.

Is the system perfect? Of course not. As stated earlier, there are significant issues that need to be addressed, that are going to take years/decades to truly resolve. But it's short-sighted to avoid the US commercial airline system entirely, or even one jet type, because it's overall.still a very safe system, one that has performed admirably for the past 30.years especially.
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You are absolutely right that Boeing and the FAA screwed up royally when it came to the MCAS system, and it was a glaring example of how Boeing has changed as a company. At the same time, with the modifications and improvements since then, the plane is safe enough that it's simply not worth the average person's effort to parse out the minute differences in odds of an issue between it and other plane types.

There is also zero indication that the incident in yesterday's Alaska flight has anything to do with the plane design- my initial guess is a manufacturing fault that wasn't picked up in QC. Extremely rare, and can happen to anything. That's why you have multiple layers of safety systems. Those layers worked in this case. The action of grounding an entire fleet type is something that the FAA often does after an event like this, often before they have any evidence of a systemic issue, as a precaution.

Is the system perfect? Of course not. As stated earlier, there are significant issues that need to be addressed, that are going to take years/decades to truly resolve. But it's short-sighted to avoid the US commercial airline system entirely, or even one jet type, because it's overall.still a very safe system, one that has performed admirably for the past 30.years especially.


You are absolutely right. Incidents like this are so extremely rare that it's foolish to avoid flying on certain models by certain developers. Hell I don't even care to look to see who develops the planes I fly on. The best thing you can do is pay attention to the emergency exit instructions pre-flight and ensure your seatbelt is always on when you're not using the restroom. It could save your life in an emergency.
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Anonymous wrote:Surely they have fixed the problems by now.


The OP is sounding like a genius given recent events.


Op - why thank you 🙂

I have very heightened anxiety and a background in journalism so my anxiety is somewhat data driven
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Your spouse works for a Boeing division and you don’t fly MAXs? Not challenging you but is that common there?


Not PP, but Global Services is United's designation for the highest level of ELITE flyers. So elite they don't actually publicly publish anything about it.

https://onemileatatime.com/guides/united-airlines-global-services/


This sounds very impressive till you realize you can be the most elite united class of all time and you are still stuck with Polaris
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


If there had been a passenger in that window seat, they would have been dead.


Only if not attached with seat belt. A headrest and seat back were sucked out.



Is this intended to make people feel better?
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Anonymous wrote:I never pick the 737 Max, but American Airlines changed its flight times during my last overseas trip in December and I ended up on it. Having flown back-to-back on a regular airline and then the 737 Max, I instantly noticed that the 737 Max was much more cramped — less space between rows, tighter fit overall. I will continue to avoid it, but not sure what to do when airlines change your plane.

That’s the problem. You have no control over the aircraft you end up in.


This. I usually look on the various apps and also flight aware to see my airline type. My spouse is Global Services, so if I fly will him I sometimes ask him to call and double check. Once I flew and said the plane wasn't a Max and I got on the plane and it was a Max. I went on the trip, but was pretty peeved that the type of plane had been changed. Now I check regularly. I used to just check when I booked the flight.

My spouse regularly flies for work and tries to avoid the Max planes (mainly due to my paranoia). He books his own work flights, not an assistant, for this reason.

I also watched Downfall: The Case about Boeing on Netflix...


Does he avoid ever driving in a car?because that would reduce his risk of serious injury/death by 100x versus avoiding a certain commercial plane type.


You should read up on risk perceptions. They are far more complex than your simplistic advice suggests.


Yes, perceptions are more complex. I am quoting the actual statistics (well, paraphrasing, admittedly).

The idea that avoiding a certain commercial plane type in the US, where there has been ONE death from an accident in FIFTEEN years, will substantively.reducd your risk, is frankly hilarious.


The 737 MAX 8 entered service in May 2017, the MAX 9 entered service in March 2018,


And how many deaths have there been on one of them in the US? Zero


There is a pattern of oversight failures and sloppiness with the 737 Max. People are right to be concerned.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/737-max-crashes-killed-346-were-horrific-culmination-failures-boeing-n1240192


You are absolutely right that Boeing and the FAA screwed up royally when it came to the MCAS system, and it was a glaring example of how Boeing has changed as a company. At the same time, with the modifications and improvements since then, the plane is safe enough that it's simply not worth the average person's effort to parse out the minute differences in odds of an issue between it and other plane types.

There is also zero indication that the incident in yesterday's Alaska flight has anything to do with the plane design- my initial guess is a manufacturing fault that wasn't picked up in QC. Extremely rare, and can happen to anything. That's why you have multiple layers of safety systems. Those layers worked in this case. The action of grounding an entire fleet type is something that the FAA often does after an event like this, often before they have any evidence of a systemic issue, as a precaution.

Is the system perfect? Of course not. As stated earlier, there are significant issues that need to be addressed, that are going to take years/decades to truly resolve. But it's short-sighted to avoid the US commercial airline system entirely, or even one jet type, because it's overall.still a very safe system, one that has performed admirably for the past 30.years especially.


What do you mean the layers worked in this case? It was luck that no one was seated beside the window.
A manufacturer of airplanes with QC issues is also not more reassuring than a design issue.
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