Do US News Rankings Have any Impact on Admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Columbia is more desirable than Duke

Columbia is the only Ivy in NYC and it always will be, it is ranking-proof.

It’s literally a fantasy come true for thousands and thousands of kids all around the world in a way Dartmouth or Penn or even Yale is not.

Location location location, it matters.

Show me the kid who is having starry eyed fantasies about living in downtown New Haven for four years.

For a certain kind of kid NEW YORK CITY AT YOUR DOORSTEP will trump everything else.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Ivy brand may be Strong Globally for other Ivy schools (Even Cornell and Brown). But not Dartmouth!

Dartmouth rankings globally compared to peers:

US New Best Global Universities (2023):
Johns Hopkins: 10
Cornell: 21
Northwestern: 24
Vanderbilt 78
Brown: 129
Dartmouth: 261

QS Top Universities (2024):
Cornell: 13
Johns Hopkins: 28
Northwestern: 47
Brown: 73
Dartmouth: 237
Vanderbilt: 261

Times Higher Education - World University Rankings (2024) :
Johns Hopkins: 15
Cornell: 20
Northwestern: 28
Brown: 64
Vanderbilt: 92
Dartmouth: 161

Round University Ranking (2023):
Northwestern: 12
Cornell: 18
Johns Hopkins: 21
Brown: 32
Vanderbilt: 49
Dartmouth: 124

Ranking Web of Universities (2023):
Cornell: 7
Johns Hopkins: 12
Northwestern: 22
Vanderbilt: 59
Brown 79
Dartmouth: 160

Center for world universities rankings (2022-2023):
Cornell: 14
Johns Hopkins: 16
Northwestern: 17
Dartmouth: 41
Vanderbilt: 52
Brown: 66

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If you give a puck about world rankings, raise your hand.

Anybody?

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Anonymous wrote:If you give a puck about world rankings, raise your hand.

Anybody?

No one cares about global ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:If you give a puck about world rankings, raise your hand.

Anybody?

I'm not going to China to get a job, so no

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Anonymous wrote:I guess this year's USNWR ranking really matters if you now place emphasis on the number of Pell Grant recipients when choosing a college

I do if a school has an endowment the size of a small country. I expect them to have the resources to recruit the best and brightest academically. They’ve always done that for athletes so I want to see that for all students.

TBH, these rich schools don't give a whit about the poor. They accept multiples of kids from families in the top quintile than in the bottom.

+1. More kids come from families in the top 1 percent than in the bottom 50 percent

for sure. for MOST kids, it takes money to have all these advantages. but this is why some of us also care about the Pell numbers and are happy to see this in these rankings. the time is over for just the WASPiest kids to walk in. I want to see the kids with merit to have access to the top, despite their ability to pay 90k year.

The problem with the ranking is that it only takes into account number of Pell grant students and their graduation; the ranking does not consider those students who receive financial aid from the school (not the federal government) in their social mobility methodology. So, taken as a whole, the US news is simply ranking a very narrow cohort of poor or disadvantaged students. It is not a true measure of social mobility.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Ivy brand may be Strong Globally for other Ivy schools (Even Cornell and Brown). But not Dartmouth!

Dartmouth rankings globally compared to peers:

US New Best Global Universities (2023):
Johns Hopkins: 10
Cornell: 21
Northwestern: 24
Vanderbilt 78
Brown: 129
Dartmouth: 261

QS Top Universities (2024):
Cornell: 13
Johns Hopkins: 28
Northwestern: 47
Brown: 73
Dartmouth: 237
Vanderbilt: 261

Times Higher Education - World University Rankings (2024) :
Johns Hopkins: 15
Cornell: 20
Northwestern: 28
Brown: 64
Vanderbilt: 92
Dartmouth: 161

Round University Ranking (2023):
Northwestern: 12
Cornell: 18
Johns Hopkins: 21
Brown: 32
Vanderbilt: 49
Dartmouth: 124

Ranking Web of Universities (2023):
Cornell: 7
Johns Hopkins: 12
Northwestern: 22
Vanderbilt: 59
Brown 79
Dartmouth: 160

Center for world universities rankings (2022-2023):
Cornell: 14
Johns Hopkins: 16
Northwestern: 17
Dartmouth: 41
Vanderbilt: 52
Brown: 66

You silly girl. Of course, Dartmouth COLLEGE is not going to rank well in these global indices where they look at research output (which by the way does not mean academic quality since anyone can publish anything in any journal, including online journals). Dartmouth has prided itself as a college not a university, hence its name. Dartmouth is a first rate undergraduate school, at par with Princeton. It is an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is very strong globally, regardless of what these rankings say.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUMers look at / discuss rankings like a hobby. Some like fantasy football, some like analyze USNWR rankings.

Live a little.

Good insight. I wondered why they cared.

Well for those of us who have kids applying, it’s interesting to know what schools are on what trajectories. If a school is going up rather than down, it feels like a safer investment. But of course the acceptances need to come first

But the trajectories totally reflect the criteria changing. Part of the reason why U Chicago is down is that class size is no longer considered (seen as weighted towards elite privates) and Chicago has small classes for its core curriculum that makes up a bit part of classes. Prospective student may still value that.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Dartmouth is now officially the lowest ranked Ivy

Yes and a few days ago there were two below Dartmouth. Totally agree that the ivy brand is worth more than the USNWR rankings. Would never pick a public college or most other privates over any Ivy!

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Dartmouth is now officially the lowest ranked Ivy

Yes and a few days ago there were two below Dartmouth. Totally agree that the ivy brand is worth more than the USNWR rankings. Would never pick a public college or most other privates over any Ivy!

Only idiots think US News ranking can influence the prestige of ivies.

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I will try to find it...it was part of Malcolm Gladwell's podcast/research on why the USNews rankings (at least previous to their changes) rewarded all the rich private schools and penalized most of the public schools and the small regional schools. The series is quite interesting and believe it was done in 2021.

Are you trying to claim Columbia attracts a certain kind of student that is overly concerned about ranking...but Harvard and the other ivy schools do not?

If this was the case dartmouth would be gaining many ranks as it has what is considered the best undergraduate teaching of any school in the us by many rankings and by far the richest students of any in the ivy leagues so what you say is proposterous. Dartmouth would be number one if the rich were advantaged. If anything the rankings hevaily bias the poor

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Anonymous wrote:Curious if the shift in rankings will have impact on applicant quality and volume at different schools. Even slight changes, like 1-2%, would be interesting. Some of the bigger developments that happened:

1. Penn, Duke, and Caltech created separation from the rest of the pack at the end of the T10, and restored their level bordering the T5 where they were ~1 decade ago
2. Brown finally broke into the T10, although at the bottom
3. UChicago plummeted out of the T10, and there's no reason to expect they'll get back in considering they've been ranked ~20 in most other rankings
4. Dartmouth and Vanderbilt both experienced significant drops to the end of the T20
5. Public schools in general rose, with the most noticeable rises at the top being Berkeley, UCLA, and UNC
6. The 2 New York ivies, Columbia and Cornell, are now tied, but don't look like they're breaking into the T10.

Created separation? Are we looking at the same rankings?

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UChicago “plummeted” out of the top 10…to number 11. How will they ever recover from this devastating blow? 🙄

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U Chicago ranks high in all the global ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

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