Double up on Math at JR?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a heads up DCPS will only offer AP Precalc next year. No honors course or non AP precalc course. They say if a kid is taking precalc they must be on an advanced math track and should take the AP version. DCPS has this amazing way of always focusing on the wrong things.

Where was this announced?

It was sent to DCPS math teachers from the head of math instruction in central office. Schools could choose this year to offer AP Precalc, next year it will be the only precalc class available to DCPS students.

[Anonymous]

Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

[Anonymous]

Do most colleges start with pre calculus as a credit course? I’m confused how this is an AP course.

The whole meaning of AP has shifted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do most colleges start with pre calculus as a credit course? I’m confused how this is an AP course.

The whole meaning of AP has shifted.

Yes, the AP program is now doing a lot more curriculum support and standardization, including standardization of which classes colleges will weight in recomputing GPA. The College Board already offered curricula for Pre-AP Algebra I, Pre-AP Geometry, Pre-AP Algebra II, and AP Calc AB, AP Calc BC, and AP Stats. If you were looking to the College Board for curriculum support, and many high schools do, precalc was kind of a glaring hole.

But also yes, pretty much all colleges now have Precalculus. Some elite schools are kind of sneaky about it. Georgetown (which requires all applicants to report SAT scores) has a full-year “Calculus with review” course (“incorporating algebra and Precalculus reviews as needed”) for students who don’t score high enough on their math placement test to take regular Calc I. So, does Georgetown teach a course called Precalculus? No. Do they teach Precalculus? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do most colleges start with pre calculus as a credit course? I’m confused how this is an AP course.

The whole meaning of AP has shifted.

Yes, the AP program is now doing a lot more curriculum support and standardization, including standardization of which classes colleges will weight in recomputing GPA. The College Board already offered curricula for Pre-AP Algebra I, Pre-AP Geometry, Pre-AP Algebra II, and AP Calc AB, AP Calc BC, and AP Stats. If you were looking to the College Board for curriculum support, and many high schools do, precalc was kind of a glaring hole.

But also yes, pretty much all colleges now have Precalculus. Some elite schools are kind of sneaky about it. Georgetown (which requires all applicants to report SAT scores) has a full-year “Calculus with review” course (“incorporating algebra and Precalculus reviews as needed”) for students who don’t score high enough on their math placement test to take regular Calc I. So, does Georgetown teach a course called Precalculus? No. Do they teach Precalculus? Yes.

To answer more directly…98% of all colleges offer Precalc (and below) as credit courses. DCUM fixates on the most selective schools, but of course there are 3,000 (non CC) colleges most of which have 80%+ acceptance rates where these math courses are credit classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do most colleges start with pre calculus as a credit course? I’m confused how this is an AP course.

The whole meaning of AP has shifted.

Yes, the AP program is now doing a lot more curriculum support and standardization, including standardization of which classes colleges will weight in recomputing GPA. The College Board already offered curricula for Pre-AP Algebra I, Pre-AP Geometry, Pre-AP Algebra II, and AP Calc AB, AP Calc BC, and AP Stats. If you were looking to the College Board for curriculum support, and many high schools do, precalc was kind of a glaring hole.

But also yes, pretty much all colleges now have Precalculus. Some elite schools are kind of sneaky about it. Georgetown (which requires all applicants to report SAT scores) has a full-year “Calculus with review” course (“incorporating algebra and Precalculus reviews as needed”) for students who don’t score high enough on their math placement test to take regular Calc I. So, does Georgetown teach a course called Precalculus? No. Do they teach Precalculus? Yes.

To answer more directly…98% of all colleges offer Precalc (and below) as credit courses. DCUM fixates on the most selective schools, but of course there are 3,000 (non CC) colleges most of which have 80%+ acceptance rates where these math courses are credit classes.

The two-semester “Calc I with review” sequence at Georgetown counts as two courses (one free elective and one math credit). It’s not just non-selective colleges teaching precalc and counting the credits toward graduation. It’s the kind of school DCUM fixates on, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do most colleges start with pre calculus as a credit course? I’m confused how this is an AP course.

The whole meaning of AP has shifted.

Yes, the AP program is now doing a lot more curriculum support and standardization, including standardization of which classes colleges will weight in recomputing GPA. The College Board already offered curricula for Pre-AP Algebra I, Pre-AP Geometry, Pre-AP Algebra II, and AP Calc AB, AP Calc BC, and AP Stats. If you were looking to the College Board for curriculum support, and many high schools do, precalc was kind of a glaring hole.

But also yes, pretty much all colleges now have Precalculus. Some elite schools are kind of sneaky about it. Georgetown (which requires all applicants to report SAT scores) has a full-year “Calculus with review” course (“incorporating algebra and Precalculus reviews as needed”) for students who don’t score high enough on their math placement test to take regular Calc I. So, does Georgetown teach a course called Precalculus? No. Do they teach Precalculus? Yes.

To answer more directly…98% of all colleges offer Precalc (and below) as credit courses. DCUM fixates on the most selective schools, but of course there are 3,000 (non CC) colleges most of which have 80%+ acceptance rates where these math courses are credit classes.

The two-semester “Calc I with review” sequence at Georgetown counts as two courses (one free elective and one math credit). It’s not just non-selective colleges teaching precalc and counting the credits toward graduation. It’s the kind of school DCUM fixates on, too.

I agree…but was just making it clear at the vast majority of colleges they have a credit class called Precalc and I assume they will accept an AP score if you want to fulfill a math requirement at that college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

Can you elaborate on this? Is this a policy at some schools or experience you've had?

I was in college years ago and kids are several years from, so I'm just trying to get a feel for what they should look for in HS or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

Can you elaborate on this? Is this a policy at some schools or experience you've had?

I was in college years ago and kids are several years from, so I'm just trying to get a feel for what they should look for in HS or not.

Elite colleges don't except dual credit. They require a high school diploma and then only start counting credits after that. They don't want to graduate students with less than 4 years of posr-high school education, but some will offer a 4 year "dual enrollment" Bachelors+Masters degree.

It's the same for AP as DE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

My kid at a top 10 school took math DE at a DC college along with other college students (ie it was not a special class for HS students). If he had taken that class as a student at that college, his credit would transfer.

However, because he took it while in HS he was given no credit.

Can you elaborate on this? Is this a policy at some schools or experience you've had?

I was in college years ago and kids are several years from, so I'm just trying to get a feel for what they should look for in HS or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

Can you elaborate on this? Is this a policy at some schools or experience you've had?

I was in college years ago and kids are several years from, so I'm just trying to get a feel for what they should look for in HS or not.

Elite colleges don't except dual credit. They require a high school diploma and then only start counting credits after that. They don't want to graduate students with less than 4 years of posr-high school education, but some will offer a 4 year "dual enrollment" Bachelors+Masters degree.

It's the same for AP as DE.

That’s not 100% true. Even top schools (except Harvard) will award AP credit if you score a 5 on the test. It is limited to usually just the math, sciences and languages for the most part.

So they will give you credit for a 5 on the Calc BC AP test, but you will get nothing for a DE A in the equivalent calc class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

Can you elaborate on this? Is this a policy at some schools or experience you've had?

I was in college years ago and kids are several years from, so I'm just trying to get a feel for what they should look for in HS or not.

Elite colleges don't except dual credit. They require a high school diploma and then only start counting credits after that. They don't want to graduate students with less than 4 years of posr-high school education, but some will offer a 4 year "dual enrollment" Bachelors+Masters degree.

It's the same for AP as DE.

That’s not 100% true. Even top schools (except Harvard) will award AP credit if you score a 5 on the test. It is limited to usually just the math, sciences and languages for the most part.

So they will give you credit for a 5 on the Calc BC AP test, but you will get nothing for a DE A in the equivalent calc class.

Not anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a shift to dual-enrollment for advanced math rather than AP? Seems like it'd have better likelihood of being accepted for college credit than AP.

Strangely enough, colleges will accept a transfer credit but won’t accept the same course taken DE…at least a bunch of selective colleges

Can you elaborate on this? Is this a policy at some schools or experience you've had?

I was in college years ago and kids are several years from, so I'm just trying to get a feel for what they should look for in HS or not.

Elite colleges don't except dual credit. They require a high school diploma and then only start counting credits after that. They don't want to graduate students with less than 4 years of posr-high school education, but some will offer a 4 year "dual enrollment" Bachelors+Masters degree.

It's the same for AP as DE.

That’s not 100% true. Even top schools (except Harvard) will award AP credit if you score a 5 on the test. It is limited to usually just the math, sciences and languages for the most part.

So they will give you credit for a 5 on the Calc BC AP test, but you will get nothing for a DE A in the equivalent calc class.

Not anymore.

Considering my kid attends a top 5 school and has gotten several AP credits…I would say you are wrong. Received Calc, CS and Physics credits.

[Anonymous]

Is anyone considering the profit motive for the college board in this enormous expansion of AP and redefinition of it? Do they say less influence of SAT and so need a new widget to sell?