Not sure, but NE doesn’t report them as transfers either, that is a separate section of the common data set. Technically they aren’t transfers as they are in the NE system from day one, just not on the Boston campus. |
Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats? |
That’s the rumor. No one can say because zero data is released about them. |
Obviously |
Even if that's true, you get the idea from the Boston direct admits, top-notch students, and top-notch outcomes. If Harvard offered one-semester or one-year programs somewhere, what do you think the credentials would be? Maybe a little lower, but not much. Many other schools have similar programs. NEU just does it better. It makes sense as the school has some students come in and out for COOP programs. |
THIS^^^. They do NOT include their NUIn, NUBound, NU London, NU Oakland, etc programs in this. So they offer a lot of spots in those other programs in hopes of getting more students---the yield for these are much lower, as many people simply want to start their freshman year on campus not at a remote site. |
Rochester is a much better school than NEU, but yes they won't surpass them because "Boston vs Rochester" for location. And no, most people will not switch from smaller private schools to huge state schools, as nothing has changed, those smaller schools are "better schools" IMO, I don't care about graduation rate for first gen/Pell grant students. I hope any school my kid attends would work hard to ensure those kids graduate, but I recognize a lot of that is outside factors that the university cannot do anything about. I care that my kid has smaller class sizes, qualified professors, smaller recitation/discussion sections, and the ability to ACTUALLY do research in the amazing facilities, so while the huge state schools might have those facilities, most undergrads do not get to do meaningful research for 2-3 years in them, they are reserved for grad students and a few honors kids. |
+1000 The campus is overcrowded due to over enrollment for fall 2022 and then the 2023 switcheroo when parents complained. It is increasingly difficult to get coops because of this, it also means the kids register for classes if they don't have a coop so it is also getting more challenging to get into the courses your kids need to stay on track. They are not a small school, they are a mid size school with issues you see at larger schools, as they grow without infrastructure in place for housing, dining, academics, etc. If you are happy with all of that, go for it. |
The "non-boston start" kids do not really have lower stats. Everyone admitted has high stats. Majority of those kids are Full pay because the programs are expensive and you cannot use federal aid for them. last year Nu Bound in London was over $85K and NO FOOD was included in that price. So you are looking at $90K+ easily. My kid was admitted, their stats were inline with the CDS |
It's still much better than big state schools. My CS kid had little issue with registration for one semester, but it has been overall fine. The school deals with the issues very well. My kid was crammed into a double room with two other kids in the first semester, but it was pretty good for the second and third years. Now in a very nice air-conditioned single room. On-campus housing is guaranteed for four years. Overall, it's still much better than large state schools. |
What does that make Penn then? |
I do seem to recall that, last year, some high-stats kids were admitted to NEU but not for Boston. The full pay angle you suggest makes sense. However, if NEU is admitting high-stats full pay kids to not-Boston, it is easy to imagine that the yield would be abysmal. My (high stats full pay NMSF) kid might prefer NEU to, say, BU, but not enough to attend a not-Boston NEU campus for any period of time and would view such an acceptance as a rejection. Those anecdotes from the last admission season really made me question what the heck NEU is doing. (As a parent of a kid currently in the application process, I am neither a booster nor a basher. I just want accurate information.) |
obviously much better than "large state schools", but definately has many more issues you don't typically see at smaller private schools. It's a good school, but kids applying should be aware of the issues as they grow without having put infrastructure in place for the huge increases. I also have issues with the fact they set programs and then change to accommodate parents wishes when it's obvious they will loose students if they don't. That added at least 1K more students to campus this fall that were not intended to ever come or come for more than 1 year at year 4/5. Similarly, when they ask "are you willing to study abroad first year" make that a meaningful question. If a kid says "no", then don't offer them anything but on Boston campus admission. Make the question multi faceted: A) Do NOT want to study abroad freshman year at all B) Prefer not to study abroad freshman year, but would be open as a last resort/whatever you want to word it C) Happy to study abroad freshman year Then do not offer any admissions except Boston to someone who answers A. Because when a kid answers that and then gets offer for a year in London or elsewhere, it's almost as if the school didn't read their application and doesn't care about them. And no, it didn't change my kid's mind, they immediately moved it to the 'well I wasn't rejected but sure as hell not doing this" pile |
Did your kid actually attend? Anecdote is not the same as data. If the stats were the same, NE would release them. Emory provides all stats for students who start at their Oxford campus. |
The yield is typically small for those programs. Because yes, those high stats kids likely have several other options that are excellent with fall starts. My own kid had 5 other choices at "higher ranked schools" with fall starts on campus to choose from. As it turns out, my kid had a rough first month adjusting to school (introverted, knew nobody, anxiety kicked into high gear), so had they taken NEU and gone to London, they likely would have had to withdraw---they knew they were not enough of an extrovert and would need time to adjust and doing so in a foreign country would not work well for them. They adjusted within one month and are excelling at their school of choice, but knew the NUBOund was not for them at all |