WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

There's a disease of the mind where people will argue against a mountain of factual evidence just to be contrary. This board is full of that. I was at rhe game. I saw the girl with braids starting problems with the wj fans. The phone chain and social media was blowing up with wj students injured and bcc students as the assailants on friday. The principal 's email makes it clear that wj students were attacked. Mcpc doesn't allow students from other schools into the games. It was absolutely bcc students and there will be arrests. Hopefully there are also Civil lawsuits.

This incident is a very big deal for MCPS and the BCC principal. The upside of all of this could be a return to violent students actually experiencing consequences.

But if MCPS and BCC drop the ball, I suspect that mayhem will become the norm in Montgomery County schools in the years ahead. And everyone with means will give up and go private, particularly in the BCC district. There's a lot riding on how MCPS and the BCC principle choose to respond to these assaults.

BCC parent here and I totally agree. This incident seems to have gotten more public attention than the other recent fights and I don't think parents or the community at large will move on as quickly. I've had people at work who don't even have kids in MCPS ask me about it today because they saw the article in the Washington Post (asking if my child was at the game, what BCC's doing about it, etc.). They weren't aware that there had been fights at/around BCC in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

There's a disease of the mind where people will argue against a mountain of factual evidence just to be contrary. This board is full of that. I was at rhe game. I saw the girl with braids starting problems with the wj fans. The phone chain and social media was blowing up with wj students injured and bcc students as the assailants on friday. The principal 's email makes it clear that wj students were attacked. Mcpc doesn't allow students from other schools into the games. It was absolutely bcc students and there will be arrests. Hopefully there are also Civil lawsuits.

DP. What’s to say the students were not from BCC, did not attend the game, were loitering in Bethesda, and were waiting to attack WJ students?

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I wonder if braids and psycho guy were in class today. Imagine having to be in class, walk the halls, use the bathroom at your school with violent criminals like that in the building?

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I guess if it takes the rich kids being targeted for MCPS to actually reinstate discipline, I’m all for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t get over that kids just decide to jump/beat other kids. So vicious. Why? Seriously what is wrong with them?

Have you not been in a public school in the past 10 - 15 years?

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I was walking to a group of HS kids and they thought it was not necessarily premeditation that the kids had masks. They said some kids carry these, I guess so they can shop lift and not worry about security cameras? The teens used a slang term for the ski masks but I can’t now remember what it was. These were not kids who ship lift but had seen other kids with masks. I was pretty horrified. I don’t know if any of the other parents have heard anything similar.

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Really interesting to me that McKnight mentions expulsion. If students can be expelled from public school but the state requires access to education, what is the alternative?
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/police-schools-continue-investigation-into-student-fights-after-football-game-in-bethesda/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Anonymous wrote:Really interesting to me that McKnight mentions expulsion. If students can be expelled from public school but the state requires access to education, what is the alternative?
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/police-schools-continue-investigation-into-student-fights-after-football-game-in-bethesda/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

McKnight herself didn't mention expulsion. The reporter described the options covered in the code of conduct.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

There's a disease of the mind where people will argue against a mountain of factual evidence just to be contrary. This board is full of that. I was at rhe game. I saw the girl with braids starting problems with the wj fans. The phone chain and social media was blowing up with wj students injured and bcc students as the assailants on friday. The principal 's email makes it clear that wj students were attacked. Mcpc doesn't allow students from other schools into the games. It was absolutely bcc students and there will be arrests. Hopefully there are also Civil lawsuits.

DP. What’s to say the students were not from BCC, did not attend the game, were loitering in Bethesda, and were waiting to attack WJ students?

Are you kidding me? Why do you keep insisting it must be some other kids who committed these crimes?

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Anonymous wrote:A WJ parent took their kid to the police station and reported it as an assault.

Police will need to do an investigation to determine if it was an assault or a fight.

You will need to wait for facts.

A police report is not facts, it is a report written when people are interviewed. People can lie in the interview.
A police investigation is usually based on facts (though something they are wrong too).

Kid comes home beaten up and he told his parents, "I was assaulted", it might be the truth or he lied because he didn't want to admit he was in a fight (and lost).

? Assault is assault regardless of whether it was in the middle of several people fighting or not. If you're hit by someone, it's assault. You can call police and press charges. They will determine if you also threw punches, and whether you started it, or whether you exercised reasonable self-defence.

That is not how the laws are written.

Fighting is actually legal. You have the legal right to fight someone else if you choose. If you choose to be in a fight you can't claim assault.

You might be able to argue once somebody is on the ground and being kicked the fight has now turned into an assault.

Just let your children know, if they agree to be in a fight, they can't turn around after they lose a fight and claim assault.

LOL WHAT?

NP - I'm not sure why you're laughing, the PP is right. If groups of students met up to fight, there's noting illegal about that (though it's idiotic). It's not at all clear that is what happened here, though.

What evidence of this agreement to fight would exist to substantiate that both parties were mutually agreeing to a fight? It's not like we have a written contract to go off of.

And further more, how can minors who can't consent to so many things be capable of committing to an agreement of engaging in violent activity with one another?
That is not how the laws are written.

That is what the police will need to do in their investigation. Nobody is saying it was a fight, what was said is that we need to wait until the police investigation is complete to determine if it was a fight vs an assault.

Minors can consent to sex (with each other) and they can consent to fights.

It is how the laws are written.

To continue with your hypothetical, even IF they did both agree to the fight, I'm pretty sure there are laws and ordinances about fighting in public places.

So yeah, maybe minors can fight in the privacy of their homes, but I'm pretty sure there's county law about fighting on the streets. Same way you can be naked in your house, but public nudity is prohibited.

It's not hypothetical, there are many case laws about this, you can google them.

A police officer may determine that it is "disorderly conduct" or "they are blocking a street" and stop the fight, but if the fight does not interfere with the public the police have no obligation to get involved.

Yes, disorderly conduct is the charge I was thinking of. And I don't think a bunch of teenagers fighting in the street as was the case here, especially since the police received calls about the street violence as it was unfolding, would be that hard to prove.

It will be easy to prove disorderly conduct. But assault might be harder. Each person would have to prove they tried to retreat since maryland does not have a stand your ground law they have "duty to retreat".

Are you saying the kid on the ground who was being kicked in the head had a duty to retreat?

What I said was that once the boy was on the ground being kicked in the head the police could possibly find that the fight moved into assault once he hit the ground. Again, that depends. We don't know what the boy did before he was attacked. That might change the police's viewpoint.

If a person is trying to assault or rape you and you are defending yourself, you could argue that you thought if he got up the assault against you could continue and you are protecting yourself from bodily harm.

Come on. Multiple people standing around kicking one person in the head on the ground is felony assault or even attempted murder. Not self defense. I was a juror on a trial where the defendants tried to claim self defense in this scenario and it was ridiculous.

It should be attempted murder. You’re kicking somebody in the head with the intention of causing harm. IMO no different than hitting somebody in the head with a baseball bat.

Agree. In some jurisdictions, it is a crime to attack someone with a shod foot.

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Anonymous wrote:Really interesting to me that McKnight mentions expulsion. If students can be expelled from public school but the state requires access to education, what is the alternative?
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/09/police-schools-continue-investigation-into-student-fights-after-football-game-in-bethesda/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

McKnight herself didn't mention expulsion. The reporter described the options covered in the code of conduct.

Ah you're right. Taking that line out, she really didn't say a damn thing except rhe parents should watch their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess if it takes the rich kids being targeted for MCPS to actually reinstate discipline, I’m all for it.

Agree that nothing will change until privileged kids are hurt. I don’t want anyone hurt, ever, but I know many victimized kids are invisible, even liabilities.

~Magruder Mom

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Update re: 2 investigations

[twitter][/twitter]https://twitter.com/WTOP/status/1699217095710404941[twitter]

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oops

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Has there been any discussion as to this Friday's BCC game at Churchill?