Do you feel safe in upper northwest?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

Just wait a few minutes, someone will tell you you can't trust the crime stats because the cops fudge the numbers/people don't report/something something.

However, I will say — as someone who feels safe in Ward 3 and has no intention of moving out or whatever over a rise in crime after historically low levels — total crime in Ward 3 is up by 40 percent year-to-date in 2023, which does seem like it's well within the definition of "significantly."

https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/1:year%20to%20date/in:Ward:3

Violent crime isn't up as much, fortunately, but it's still up 10 percent. That makes violent crime in Ward 3 up a lot less than citywide; violent crime is up 36 percent year-to-date citywide this year. Total crime citywide is 29 percent (so basically, property crime is up disproportionately in Ward 3, and violent crime is up, but less than in other parts of the city).

We can disagree about how to respond to crime and what's causing it, but at this point, it's hard to argue that crime is not up, either here or on Nextdoor.

Good lord, just move to Reston like you're dying to do. You won't be missed.

I specifically said I feel safe here and have no intention of moving. You really think accurately quoting crime stats (that show that Ward 3 violent crime is up less than citywide) means someone wants to leave town?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

Just wait a few minutes, someone will tell you you can't trust the crime stats because the cops fudge the numbers/people don't report/something something.

However, I will say — as someone who feels safe in Ward 3 and has no intention of moving out or whatever over a rise in crime after historically low levels — total crime in Ward 3 is up by 40 percent year-to-date in 2023, which does seem like it's well within the definition of "significantly."

https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/1:year%20to%20date/in:Ward:3

Violent crime isn't up as much, fortunately, but it's still up 10 percent. That makes violent crime in Ward 3 up a lot less than citywide; violent crime is up 36 percent year-to-date citywide this year. Total crime citywide is 29 percent (so basically, property crime is up disproportionately in Ward 3, and violent crime is up, but less than in other parts of the city).

We can disagree about how to respond to crime and what's causing it, but at this point, it's hard to argue that crime is not up, either here or on Nextdoor.

+1. Facts are facts, no matter how much some of these sunny susies like to bury their heads in the sand. Until it happens to them, of course.

+2. When the CVS in Spring Valley has a security guard, you know we are well past the tipping point. I wish Councilmember Frumin would make a forceful statement about all the crime in Ward 3, but he doesn’t seem up for it.

Eh, I mean, a lot of CVS locations have a security guard. I don’t have a problem with that at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

Just wait a few minutes, someone will tell you you can't trust the crime stats because the cops fudge the numbers/people don't report/something something.

However, I will say — as someone who feels safe in Ward 3 and has no intention of moving out or whatever over a rise in crime after historically low levels — total crime in Ward 3 is up by 40 percent year-to-date in 2023, which does seem like it's well within the definition of "significantly."

https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/1:year%20to%20date/in:Ward:3

Violent crime isn't up as much, fortunately, but it's still up 10 percent. That makes violent crime in Ward 3 up a lot less than citywide; violent crime is up 36 percent year-to-date citywide this year. Total crime citywide is 29 percent (so basically, property crime is up disproportionately in Ward 3, and violent crime is up, but less than in other parts of the city).

We can disagree about how to respond to crime and what's causing it, but at this point, it's hard to argue that crime is not up, either here or on Nextdoor.

+1. Facts are facts, no matter how much some of these sunny susies like to bury their heads in the sand. Until it happens to them, of course.

+2. When the CVS in Spring Valley has a security guard, you know we are well past the tipping point. I wish Councilmember Frumin would make a forceful statement about all the crime in Ward 3, but he doesn’t seem up for it.

Eh, I mean, a lot of CVS locations have a security guard. I don’t have a problem with that at all.

This is an incredibly sad mind set.

[Anonymous]

If you live in upper northwest (west of the park, naturally), you’re supposed to believe that traffic deaths are a massive problem (even though hardly anyone dies in crashes) and that crime is rare and overblown (even though there’s 30,000 crimes in DC per year).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I lived in Tenleytown in the early 90s, and it was a shitshow when JR got out then. Tenleytown is way fancier now.

No. It is a total dump. The CVS and Target look like third world country establishments inside. The WaWa is also disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in upper northwest (west of the park, naturally), you’re supposed to believe that traffic deaths are a massive problem (even though hardly anyone dies in crashes) and that crime is rare and overblown (even though there’s 30,000 crimes in DC per year).

I think crime is a problem and that traffic injuries or deaths are also a problem. Fortunately, there's no reason you can't address both if you're a large city.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I lived in Tenleytown in the early 90s, and it was a shitshow when JR got out then. Tenleytown is way fancier now.

No. It is a total dump. The CVS and Target look like third world country establishments inside. The WaWa is also disgusting.

I can tell you weren't around then if you think Tenleytown is worse than in the early 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:I lived in Tenleytown in the early 90s, and it was a shitshow when JR got out then. Tenleytown is way fancier now.

No. It is a total dump. The CVS and Target look like third world country establishments inside. The WaWa is also disgusting.

It’s a CVS and Target in a city..what do you expect.

The Target is just fine. If you want a fancier experience go to Saks.

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Are the people with money moving away?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I lived in Tenleytown in the early 90s, and it was a shitshow when JR got out then. Tenleytown is way fancier now.

No. It is a total dump. The CVS and Target look like third world country establishments inside. The WaWa is also disgusting.

I can tell you weren't around then if you think Tenleytown is worse than in the early 90s.

I was here in the 80s and 90s. You’re are wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I lived in Tenleytown in the early 90s, and it was a shitshow when JR got out then. Tenleytown is way fancier now.

No. It is a total dump. The CVS and Target look like third world country establishments inside. The WaWa is also disgusting.

+1. Every time I make the mistake of going into the Chic-Fil-A I wonder if anyone from corporate has ever visited the store.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I lived in Tenleytown in the early 90s, and it was a shitshow when JR got out then. Tenleytown is way fancier now.

No. It is a total dump. The CVS and Target look like third world country establishments inside. The WaWa is also disgusting.

+1. Every time I make the mistake of going into the Chic-Fil-A I wonder if anyone from corporate has ever visited the store.

You realize that it is the local customers without any respect for themselves or others that trash the store correct?
And then they wonder why businesses close shop and move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you live in upper northwest (west of the park, naturally), you’re supposed to believe that traffic deaths are a massive problem (even though hardly anyone dies in crashes) and that crime is rare and overblown (even though there’s 30,000 crimes in DC per year).

I live in upper NW now but grew up in DC in the 80’s and these are not my thoughts…

[Anonymous]

I don’t feel as safe as I used to in NW, where I’ve lived for 40 years. I no longer walk in my neighborhood after dark, I stay away from Columbia Heights at all hours, and I’m beginning to avoid Van Ness as much as possible. If it gets any worse I will probably move. I’m furious with Bowser and the City Council for the voucher fiasco and the laissez-faire attitude on crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t feel as safe as I used to in NW, where I’ve lived for 40 years. I no longer walk in my neighborhood after dark, I stay away from Columbia Heights at all hours, and I’m beginning to avoid Van Ness as much as possible. If it gets any worse I will probably move. I’m furious with Bowser and the City Council for the voucher fiasco and the laissez-faire attitude on crime.

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