Aha moment - I know 7 current Ivy League students, and all of them happen to be legacies

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Anonymous wrote:sorry for naive question, but what groups are considered URM? this will no longer exist right as an advantage?

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how colleges can be barred from considering race in admissions but allowed to do legacy

You don't understand that the Constitution addresses race but somehow there is no amendment about legacies??

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how colleges can be barred from considering race in admissions but allowed to do legacy

The Supreme Court case was based on discrimination by race so that’s all they ruled on. However someone just tried to sue Harvard about legacy admissions so we’ll see.

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quote=Anonymous]Before this spins into the inevitable Republican bashing, allow me to point out that after G.W. Bush bravely cheered his way through Yale, subsequent Bush children went to UTexas, Tulane, UVa, & Boston College.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, first gen has nothing to do with being an immigrant. Surely you know this.

A number of schools consider a student “first gen” if their parents attended college in a country other than the United States.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is a recruited athlete and all the kids I know that got into Ivy schools are recruited athletes.

There is a big difference between a legacy and a recruited athlete. The former is something you are by way of birth, but the latter requires a lot of dedication and persistence.

(None of my children are recruited athletes, but in my opinion, recruited athletes should get preferential treatment, as it takes a lot of grit to be an elite athlete.)

And some families are doubly blessed. Look at the Boss family at Dartmouth and the Buonanos at Princeton.

This is such a weird comment to post in a public forum. I googled these names and schools, and these are random kids that aren’t public figures.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, first gen has nothing to do with being an immigrant. Surely you know this.

A number of schools consider a student “first gen” if their parents attended college in a country other than the United States.

If that is the case, that does not make sense. First gen should mean the first generation that attends college/university, not the first generation to live in the US or attend a US college. There are plenty of immigrants who are educated and well-off when they come to the US. (For example, I am thinking of my DD's peers at her high school, whose parents are economists at the World Bank and IMF. I doubt that they should count as first gen.)

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

I know plenty of kids who've prepped, none who've earned a 1580.

SAT prep is not just for Asians. I am pretty sure Sylvain Learning Center loves their non-Asian customers/students. Many/most of prep-center students are Asians. They don't mess around.

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Idea from the Financial Samurai blog: For those students who attended an Ivy League college and who are NOT a legacy -- to get full credit on your resume for getting admitted without a hook, write "not a legacy" next to your college name.

This is an awful idea that I hope no one listens to! Why give anyone reviewing your resume an easy reason to discard it? At best, "not a legacy" comes across as judgmental. It is even more cringeworthy than having standardized test scores on your resume in your 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually know only Asian and white kids. As far as I know none of them are legacy. From MOCO magnet.

Do you also pretty much only know Asian and white kids?

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

Not a great comparison because the SAT is designed to determine kid’s ability to learn. The bar exam and professional engineering exams are to test what they have already learned.

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

Not a great comparison because the SAT is designed to determine kid’s ability to learn. The bar exam and professional engineering exams are to test what they have already learned.

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-1 it's a great comparison because everyone is free to prepare.

It's like the Olympics where athletes train for 4 or more years. They are supposed to train - even if training gives them advantage. I don't know any elite athlete who simply shows up and expect to win the gold. Showong up and expect to take home the gold on the strength of the color of skin happens only at Harvard.

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As a lawyer the lawsuit on legacy makes no sense to me. Not being a legacy is not a constitutionally protected class. I would think the next logical step is gender, which is a protected class - the complaint that women in stem are given preferential admission treatment in order to boost gender diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

Not a great comparison because the SAT is designed to determine kid’s ability to learn. The bar exam and professional engineering exams are to test what they have already learned.

I
-1 it's a great comparison because everyone is free to prepare.

It's like the Olympics where athletes train for 4 or more years. They are supposed to train - even if training gives them advantage. I don't know any elite athlete who simply shows up and expect to win the gold. Showong up and expect to take home the gold on the strength of the color of skin happens only at Harvard.

This illustrates the changed attitude toward the SAT since “back in the day.” I think it’s a terrible waste. The SAT used to measure aptitude. Now there’s no way to tell whether a 1540 was achieved cold or after months of intense study. That means it’s not a reliable measure of either effort or aptitude.

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

Not a great comparison because the SAT is designed to determine kid’s ability to learn. The bar exam and professional engineering exams are to test what they have already learned.

I
-1 it's a great comparison because everyone is free to prepare.

It's like the Olympics where athletes train for 4 or more years. They are supposed to train - even if training gives them advantage. I don't know any elite athlete who simply shows up and expect to win the gold. Showong up and expect to take home the gold on the strength of the color of skin happens only at Harvard.

This illustrates the changed attitude toward the SAT since “back in the day.” I think it’s a terrible waste. The SAT used to measure aptitude. Now there’s no way to tell whether a 1540 was achieved cold or after months of intense study. That means it’s not a reliable measure of either effort or aptitude.

Kind of like the Olympics gold medal. We don't know if this is from the genetic gift of God or 4 years of blood and sweat training/prep that gave these athletes "unfair" advantage.