Aha moment - I know 7 current Ivy League students, and all of them happen to be legacies

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

Thanks for the kind words. I think it was but you never know. Honestly, I think it was their video. Creative, not polished, showed who they are beyond the stats. They also realize that it’s a lottery and that they were really just lucky.

Congrats on Brown

[Anonymous]

Wut? I went to an ivy league school and almost nobody I knew was legacy. One person was the first in her entire county to have ever gone to any ivy league school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wut? I went to an ivy league school and almost nobody I knew was legacy. One person was the first in her entire county to have ever gone to any ivy league school.

You don't represent the whole. You should know that if you had an ivy education.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43-percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

[Anonymous]

Before this spins into the inevitable Republican bashing, allow me to point out that after G.W. Bush bravely cheered his way through Yale, subsequent Bush children went to UTexas, Tulane, UVa, & Boston College.

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

No one “preps” for an eye exam. PP was talking about “back in the day,” and back in the day we were told that the SAT was unpreppable.

[Anonymous]

how do these schools know the stats on white kids, when so many white kids don't check any box at all. even when you enroll, you dont need to check a box.

related: why dont we have stats on "other" or "prefer not to say"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Before this spins into the inevitable Republican bashing, allow me to point out that after G.W. Bush bravely cheered his way through Yale, subsequent Bush children went to UTexas, Tulane, UVa, & Boston College.

And Yale and Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

No one “preps” for an eye exam. PP was talking about “back in the day,” and back in the day we were told that the SAT was unpreppable.

It's unpreppable if you have fooled around for 11 years of fundamental education.

[Anonymous]

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43% (almost half) of White students at Harvard is ALDC.

Enough Said.

Right so for the seven legacies this poster knows, at least nine white unhooked kids are at the school. That doesn’t seem like “all” of them.

[Anonymous]

I went to an Ivy, and now as my friends kids are at that age, some get in and some don’t. Our kids are all over the place. In my very small sample set, I do notice a tendency for the triple legacy friends (both parents undergrad and one parent also went to law school) get a kid in (but not all kids), but it may also be because the parents were educated and driven themselves, provided the right kind of support to their kids, and had more than enough money from the BigLaw spouse to pay for it all.

I can’t get that bent out of shape about this. Ivy League attendance is not a right, and it’s a limited commodity. There were plenty of “regular folk” there new and always will be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - are the high school students you know mostly white? Because one way of reading this post is that it reaffirms the recent Supreme Court decision - it’s become nearly impossible for white highly qualified high school students to get into Ivy League schools unless they are legacies or athletes.

I dunno. My white totally unhooked dd is at HYP and certainly she knows plenty of legacies but she also knows like plenty like her who are not. There is no formula folks, but certainly some regular kids get a little bit of fairy dust sprinkled in their app and get in. And none of us who were not in the adcom discussions know why.

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43% (almost half) of White students at Harvard is ALDC.

Enough Said.

Right so for the seven legacies this poster knows, at least nine white unhooked kids are at the school. That doesn’t seem like “all” of them.

Almost 1 out of 2 White students you see is ALDC.

What do you think

[Anonymous]

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43% (almost half) of White students at Harvard is ALDC.

Enough Said.

Right so for the seven legacies this poster knows, at least nine white unhooked kids are at the school. That doesn’t seem like “all” of them.

Almost 1 out of 2 White students you see is ALDC.

What do you think

I think over half get in without any of that.

[Anonymous]

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43% (almost half) of White students at Harvard is ALDC.

Enough Said.

I had to look up ALDC and for those who don't know, it's athlete, legacy, dean's list (rich/connected donors) and children of faculty.

I also googled the % of graduating HS seniors who are white, and nationally it is 51-52%. Since some people are dedicated to playing the proportional representation game in the name of justice, whites are technically under represented among the ALDCs at Harvard.....

I'm pretty sure that's not what the PP intended to say with the post, hah!

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Anonymous wrote:High stat DC got into an Ivy this year.
-not a legacy
-not an athlete
-not an URM
-not a faculty kid
-public school (not TJ)
-no crazy national/international awards
Just got super super lucky.

Stats and major?

1580, 4.6 weighted, Engineering

Very impressive, congrats to your DC on getting in for one of the toughest majors. Essays must have been excellent!

The sad thing is the assumption that a kid with these stats wouldn't normally get in without a hook. Back in the day they would have sailed in!

Test prep culture has considerably cheapened the value of a 1580.

No, 1580 is very hard to achieve prep or not.
Everybody should study and prepare hard for major test such as SAT, MCAT, BAR exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.

No one “preps” for an eye exam. PP was talking about “back in the day,” and back in the day we were told that the SAT was unpreppable.

It's unpreppable if you have fooled around for 11 years of fundamental education.

Back in the day, many kids took Princeton Review/Kaplan SAT prep courses and did great. What are you talking about? Prepping for tests has been around forever.