US supreme court strikes blow against LGBTQ+ rights with Colorado ruling

[Anonymous]

And so it has begun whites only no Jews men only headed our way

This is the beginning you got one shot with your vote in 2024 if you are a female or minority and vote red ever again you e lost your mind

On the house floor yesterday a Republican used the term “colored”.

Yeah I’m not wrong

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Anonymous wrote:Cool. Can’t wait to refuse service to evangelical Christians.

Yes, this!!

You can’t refuse your standard services to anyone, and neither can 303 Creative.

You can refuse to make creative products that specifically compel you to speak against your beliefs. A lot of people are missing this point, but this case was NOT decided on religious freedom grounds; it was decided on freedom of speech. And it’s not the Supreme Court that first made that distinction, but the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

No matter what your beliefs are? right or wrong?
If my belief is that a particular race is inferior, am I allow to deny them services that would compel me to acknowledge them as equal?

DP. Who decides what is right or wrong?

And what kind of services?

I have a store selling construction products. If my belief is that a particular race is inferior and do not deserve to live in homes.
I do not want to be involved with anything that supports them, their housing, their lifestyle, their culture. They come to my store to buy products to build their homes. I can refuse to sell to sell to them and this ruling will protect me. Right?
Selling them my products to build their homes is sending the message that I'm supporting them and their need for housing.
I cannot be compelled to support it because it goes against my beliefs.

No, this ruling does not affect your case at all. You are still barred from discriminating against customers in your given situation.

The Colorado ruling specifically restricted the ruling to services that are tied to speech. The free speech clause of the first amendment says that the state cannot

“force an individual to speak in ways that align with its views but defy her conscience about a matter of major significance.”

In your case, you are selling products not providing a speech related service. Your business is not protected by this ruling at all because your selling of construction products is not a free speech protected service. Whether they use the products in a way that you disagree with is irrelevant and you have not been forced to convey any message even one you disagree with. Selling them products does not "send a message that [you're] supporting them and their need for housing."

What about if I, as a trans woman, go to a subway and ask for a sandwich? Can the "sandwich artist" (they call their employees this) refuse to make me a sandwich? Can they discriminate against me at a lunch counter because their sandwiches are artistry and thus free speech? If the answer is they can't, what about a chef that designed a new dish? Sure there's more artistry there. Obviously an employee at Giant can't refuse to sell me a prepackaged sandwich but I do worry that we're headed to a country where outright discrimination is going to be on the table, where people will be excluding others from large swathes of society - anything that could be deemed in anyway speech or artistry which could be a lot as it's up for interpretation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cool. Can’t wait to refuse service to evangelical Christians.

Yes, this!!

You can’t refuse your standard services to anyone, and neither can 303 Creative.

You can refuse to make creative products that specifically compel you to speak against your beliefs. A lot of people are missing this point, but this case was NOT decided on religious freedom grounds; it was decided on freedom of speech. And it’s not the Supreme Court that first made that distinction, but the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

No matter what your beliefs are? right or wrong?
If my belief is that a particular race is inferior, am I allow to deny them services that would compel me to acknowledge them as equal?

DP. Who decides what is right or wrong?

And what kind of services?

I have a store selling construction products. If my belief is that a particular race is inferior and do not deserve to live in homes.
I do not want to be involved with anything that supports them, their housing, their lifestyle, their culture. They come to my store to buy products to build their homes. I can refuse to sell to sell to them and this ruling will protect me. Right?
Selling them my products to build their homes is sending the message that I'm supporting them and their need for housing.
I cannot be compelled to support it because it goes against my beliefs.

No, this ruling does not affect your case at all. You are still barred from discriminating against customers in your given situation.

The Colorado ruling specifically restricted the ruling to services that are tied to speech. The free speech clause of the first amendment says that the state cannot

“force an individual to speak in ways that align with its views but defy her conscience about a matter of major significance.”

In your case, you are selling products not providing a speech related service. Your business is not protected by this ruling at all because your selling of construction products is not a free speech protected service. Whether they use the products in a way that you disagree with is irrelevant and you have not been forced to convey any message even one you disagree with. Selling them products does not "send a message that [you're] supporting them and their need for housing."

What qualifies as "free speech" service? Is there a list somewhere? Who decides what is a "free speech" service and what isn't.
SCOTUS ruling decided that a web developer is doing "free speech" service? Even though the website nor its content is their property? They just wrote the code to display information provided by their clients. So writing software code is free speech?

What if my business is a printing service business? Is that speech related? Can refuse to serve customers from a racial group based on my beliefs?
What about my software development business? That's free speech right? I can refuse to sell and provide support to customers based on my beliefs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cool. Can’t wait to refuse service to evangelical Christians.

Obviously!

Imagine being forced to design a “Jesus is Lord” banner, billboard or flier as an atheist or pagan.

*shudders*