SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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I'm one of those Democrats who is happy to see this ruling. I'd rather see affirmative action on the basis of socioeconomic status rather than race. It would probably get you to the same conclusion rather than giving preferential treatment to UMC and UC POCs.

It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.

We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.

No, and we probably never will. Sorry, people are too concerned about their own and their kids' futures to willingly give up their own standing in this "dog-eat-dog" of a country. We kind of tried to help for a while. But rising inequality and the costs of securing a decent future since the 1980s in this meritocratic society has made us much less trusting, much more polarized and with fewer safety nets to fall back on. It's every person for himself even if we're starting from radically different starting points.

Yes, my primary goal in life is to maximize opportunities for my kids. No one should apologize for that.

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I think it's going to be okay. The Ivy Leagues will find ways to create the incoming classes they want--one way or another. After all, they are private institutions and can do whatever they want.

And the kids who think they should have gotten into a particular Ivy (Asians, white males, whoever) and then don't get in will also land on their feet and be okay.

Mind you, none of this will shut up the whining RWNJs who bizarrely think the system is stacked against them and only benefits minorities--but it may take a bit of the wind out of their sails for now.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Right because a 4.0 or 3.9 GPA Black student is really going to fail at Harvard and needs the entire university to dumb down curriculum to be able to learn. You sound like white folks in the 50s that had a fit the moment one Black family moved into the neighborhood. Forget that the Black family is as educated and wealthy, if not more than you. SMH

The 4.0 black kid is perfectly up to snuff then to take the SAT, which is the great equalizer, as the 4.0 white, Asian, and Hispanic kids. We all know there are crap ton of grade inflation these days. If you’re so confident, then prove it. Every student should. So many excuses for not being able to perform on a test. Life is a test. Get over it. There are no redos and extra credit makes up when you mess up brain surgery or mess up calculations that are used to build a bridge. People die. Grow a pair of cajones and take standardized next s if you’re so confident in your intelligence and abilities. So many worthless excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

I hope so. I feel like our society is back-sliding and reinforcing systemic racism, all because Asian kids don’t get their school of choice that they feel deeply entitled to. It’s disturbing

Thank you - as a well educated African American woman, this is a bitter pill to swallow. My kids will be fine but as a long time local prosecutor, man have I met some smart kids who due to circumstances, will never ever have the grades and test scores to meet some college admission criteria. However, these same kids would do well in the right circumstances on a college campus if given the opportunity. Many of these Asian families have no shortage of money for tutoring and other enrichment classes and can get into MANY colleges - not just the one they want, while the kids I have described will not get into any.

And many Asians families are poor, and many black families have plenty of resources. Get out of your stereotype filled circle jerk once in a while.

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Justice Jackson's dissent will join the pantheon of famous dissents which end being better known the Court's opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Right because a 4.0 or 3.9 GPA Black student is really going to fail at Harvard and needs the entire university to dumb down curriculum to be able to learn. You sound like white folks in the 50s that had a fit the moment one Black family moved into the neighborhood. Forget that the Black family is as educated and wealthy, if not more than you. SMH

Exactly. It is why affirmative action is not needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm one of those Democrats who is happy to see this ruling. I'd rather see affirmative action on the basis of socioeconomic status rather than race. It would probably get you to the same conclusion rather than giving preferential treatment to UMC and UC POCs.

It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.

We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.

No, and we probably never will. Sorry, people are too concerned about their own and their kids' futures to willingly give up their own standing in this "dog-eat-dog" of a country. We kind of tried to help for a while. But rising inequality and the costs of securing a decent future since the 1980s in this meritocratic society has made us much less trusting, much more polarized and with fewer safety nets to fall back on. It's every person for himself even if we're starting from radically different starting points.

Yes, my primary goal in life is to maximize opportunities for my kids. No one should apologize for that.

If getting into a too college is part of that maximizing opportunities, have girls. They have an academic advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Right because a 4.0 or 3.9 GPA Black student is really going to fail at Harvard and needs the entire university to dumb down curriculum to be able to learn. You sound like white folks in the 50s that had a fit the moment one Black family moved into the neighborhood. Forget that the Black family is as educated and wealthy, if not more than you. SMH

The 4.0 black kid is perfectly up to snuff then to take the SAT, which is the great equalizer, as the 4.0 white, Asian, and Hispanic kids. We all know there are crap ton of grade inflation these days. If you’re so confident, then prove it. Every student should. So many excuses for not being able to perform on a test. Life is a test. Get over it. There are no redos and extra credit makes up when you mess up brain surgery or mess up calculations that are used to build a bridge. People die. Grow a pair of cajones and take standardized next s if you’re so confident in your intelligence and abilities. So many worthless excuses.

Standardized test scores are no longer required for admission at most universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's going to be okay. The Ivy Leagues will find ways to create the incoming classes they want--one way or another. After all, they are private institutions and can do whatever they want.

And the kids who think they should have gotten into a particular Ivy (Asians, white males, whoever) and then don't get in will also land on their feet and be okay.

Mind you, none of this will shut up the whining RWNJs who bizarrely think the system is stacked against them and only benefits minorities--but it may take a bit of the wind out of their sails for now.

They don't benefit from federal $$ at all??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

I respectfully disagree with you. Just because someone had a higher SAT score does not entitle them to admissions to the best schools. That is how it works in some countries, that isn't how it has ever worked in the United States. These schools have only so many seats, hence why the admission rates for the most selective schools have fallen to single digits. Just because an applicant scores well on a test doesn't mean a school has to take them. The chest pounding by "Asians" here is short sighted. Who is to suggest that the student composition for Asians will fall significantly under the new regime?

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Thanks for not voting for HRC in 2016 when you knew SCOTUS was on the line, idiots.

The Supreme Court is the reason millions of voters pulled the lever for Trump.

Only because McConnell bent the rules to keep a seat open for the new president.

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Anonymous wrote:IN MY eyes and God eys we are all the same color. why are we going to give someone more points because of their skin color?

Because in other people's eyes, skin color has been seen as a negative and it has put a ceiling on millions of Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Oh well. If you don't want to attend a university that values diversity...choose a university that does not value diversity.

Sure, as soon as my tax dollars aren’t used to fund schools illegally using race in admissions.

This ruling impacts private schools. What say you now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

It’s not even all intelligence related. 99% of your child’s success is due to PARENTING and taking personal responsibility. Asians just have better familial structure, value education more, and respect laws and norms a lot more than most other groups. People don’t want to admit it but it’s true. Go travel to Asian countries where societies are rigid but crime is very low and they push their kids’ educations hard. You don’t see many a Asian parents letting their kids roam like wild animals in the streets at 10 pm on a school night then whine later they need special treatment for getting into college after they get poor grades due to ‘lack of opportunities’. No, maybe you had piss poor grades because your parents suck, let you roam the streets at 10 pm, and skipped school 40% of the time. Parents need to do better rather than ask for handicaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

This is what I was thinking as well. If Harvard begins using zip codes, possibly ends legacy admissions, is intent on letting in a diverse set of applicants by new means, such as zip codes, or other novel methods, are they getting the most qualified or are they just getting the student body makeup up they are looking for? Can this student body manage the workload if they are accepted based on a potentially lowered bar? Do they come out less wealthy if they are expelled for poor grades? Would it even be possible for them to get kicked out or will grades simply become inflated and curriculum watered down to account for having accepted a student body that never took a rigorous standardized test for admission purposes. These tests help demonstrate capability. Does an increased focus on simply accepting student based on immutable characteristics lead to excellence?

Will wealthy parents, whose kids no longer get in to schools that use wealth, and mainly zip codes, as a means of denying students admission flock to other decent schools that don’t thereby increasing the caliber of those schools and creating bigger endowments for those schools?

There are so many questions that come out of this.

Wow a lot to unpack here with code words. You make a lot of assumptions about people who live in a different place than you.