Air Quality Thursday: Code Red?

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Some unofficial weather stations were measuring more than 150 today (which is the threshold for Code Red).

You can call the school and ask, but they might have the kids stay indoors all day. If you want to keep your kids home, you can also do that.

My kids and my husband all have asthma. We're staying home if it's Code Red.


MCPS gyms do not have AC so I agree it would be prudent to stay home.


I do recess duty and I haven't heard from my school yet.

Gym isn't an option as there are PE classes during other kids' recess times.

I hope we do indoor recess at least.


I thought schools had AC?

Lots of gyms have minimal to no AC. They can get hot in spring and fall.


And the HVAC is turned off daily at 5pm on school days, shut off on weekends and fed holidays. So it can take a whole day just to regulate the temp upon return to school. Can’t imagine how long it would take to clean the air
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Welcome to the new world people. It’s toma be like this the whole summer and every summer from here on out. Yay global warming.
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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances of an 8th grade Six Flags trip happening on Friday?

Friday's looking better.
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Friday's looking better.

Not quite. Air Quality alert was just extended through Friday: https://weather.com/weather/alerts/localalerts/l/72ecd2854e8d5b272a69e27c3f746035c5ab50e67628144d5384d772b5221309?phenomena=TSL&significance=S&areaid=MDZ504&office=KLWX&etn=0000
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My phone says that ‘The general public will NOT be affected’.
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Anonymous wrote:What about high school graduation? Whitman graduation is tomorrow at 9am at the school


A few hours won't kill you. It won't have any long term impact.

You'll be slightly uncomfortable for a few hours. That's it


This. Seriously. I hope they don't cancel high school graduation for this. People who are concerned can wear a mask. Or stay home and watch a live stream.


People who are graduating can't stay home and watch a live stream.


They can wear their KN95 or N95 masks. If they cancel high school graduation, when do you think they'll reschedule it for? Unlikely it even happens or it will be a depressing virtual event. Let the kids have their graduation.


How great is it that people have N95 masks because we made individual people responsible for protecting themselves from a public health problem, which they can now use for a different issue where we're making individual people responsible for protecting themselves from a public health problem!


Um, the county was giving out N95 masks FOR FREE. Sorry you missed that. It would be good if they supplied them again for this.


This is not about who paid for the masks. This is about the type of response to a public health problem. "Everything as normal, but people who don't feel safe can choose not to attend, or to wear a mask" puts the responsibility on the individual.


Things were not “normal” for a long time, particularly in this area. MCPS did not let anyone in the schools for a year. And when they did open up to in person, they gave you, and continue to give you, the virtual option you demanded. Making everyone else continue in virtual to appease a few who couldn’t handle the choice would have been the epitome of selfish and stupid.


Who is "you" here? I'm the PP you're responding to, and I wanted MCPS to be in person in August 2020, with open windows/air purifiers, mandatory masks, and testing.


And you are getting in person. Mask your kids.
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Anonymous wrote:What about high school graduation? Whitman graduation is tomorrow at 9am at the school


A few hours won't kill you. It won't have any long term impact.

You'll be slightly uncomfortable for a few hours. That's it


This. Seriously. I hope they don't cancel high school graduation for this. People who are concerned can wear a mask. Or stay home and watch a live stream.


People who are graduating can't stay home and watch a live stream.


^^^Neither can faculty or staff who are participating in the graduation ceremony. I don't know what MCPS should do, but I do know that people who say the effects of PM2.5 is "slightly uncomfortable for a few hours" either don't know what they're talking about or are purposely minimizing the problem.


MCPS should encourage people who are concerned to wear a N95 mask and they should allow schools to hold their graduation ceremonies.


Yeah, but people who aren't concerned will also experience health effects.


MCPS is only responsible for so much of our lives.


True. For example, whether or not to hold an outdoor graduation when the air quality is dangerously bad.


Dramatic much?

It is not dangerously bad for most people. Most people will be fine if they hold graduation. And people who are concerned are welcome to wear masks to make it less dangerous for them.


It may not be acutely dangerously bad for most people, but PM2.5 is bad for everyone's health.

And, again, should MCPS hold a public event under conditions that are dangerous? If there were a thunderstorm, for example, would people say, "People who are concerned about lightning are welcome to stay at home and watch the live stream"? Your odds of getting hit by lightning are very low after all. Or even if it just rained, which isn't even dangerous. Is the outdoor graduation intended to happen rain or shine?


You are welcome to stay home if you think it is 'dangerous'.

A thunderstorm could actually be acutely bad for people. The current air quality situation is NOT.


Here is an example (but there are many more, just go through the literature) of how any event of elevated fine particular matter increases impose a risk on everyone, even if they don't perceive being affected in the moment: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/04/230405214852.htm


This is kind of unprecedented in this area, but in most communities in the West where fires are more common, there are protocols and clear metrics to follow for cancelling activities.

This is it says on Airnow.gov about the red zone:

“People with heart or lung disease, older adults, children and teens – take any of these steps to reduce your exposure:

Avoid strenuous outdoor activities.
Keep outdoor activities short.
Consider moving physical activities indoors or rescheduling them.
Everyone else – take any of these steps to reduce your exposure:

Choose less strenuous activities (like walking instead of running) so you don’t breathe as hard.
Shorten the amount of time you are active outdoors.
Be active outdoors when air quality is better.”

So cancelling outdoor recess and outdoor sports, where kids will be active, makes sense. Outdoor graduation where folks will not be active? That seems like a tougher call. For the majority, it will probably be fine. Masks are really great for filtering particulates. Now, if we were to push up into the purple or maroon zones, that seems like a clearer case for cancelling because the advice gets more restrictive.


Reasonable approach.

Considering that wearing masks is a valid option, it makes sense that we do hood graduation.


Keep grandma and grandpa home.
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Anonymous wrote:What about high school graduation? Whitman graduation is tomorrow at 9am at the school


A few hours won't kill you. It won't have any long term impact.

You'll be slightly uncomfortable for a few hours. That's it


This. Seriously. I hope they don't cancel high school graduation for this. People who are concerned can wear a mask. Or stay home and watch a live stream.


People who are graduating can't stay home and watch a live stream.


^^^Neither can faculty or staff who are participating in the graduation ceremony. I don't know what MCPS should do, but I do know that people who say the effects of PM2.5 is "slightly uncomfortable for a few hours" either don't know what they're talking about or are purposely minimizing the problem.


MCPS should encourage people who are concerned to wear a N95 mask and they should allow schools to hold their graduation ceremonies.


Yeah, but people who aren't concerned will also experience health effects.


MCPS is only responsible for so much of our lives.


True. For example, whether or not to hold an outdoor graduation when the air quality is dangerously bad.


Dramatic much?

It is not dangerously bad for most people. Most people will be fine if they hold graduation. And people who are concerned are welcome to wear masks to make it less dangerous for them.


It may not be acutely dangerously bad for most people, but PM2.5 is bad for everyone's health.

And, again, should MCPS hold a public event under conditions that are dangerous? If there were a thunderstorm, for example, would people say, "People who are concerned about lightning are welcome to stay at home and watch the live stream"? Your odds of getting hit by lightning are very low after all. Or even if it just rained, which isn't even dangerous. Is the outdoor graduation intended to happen rain or shine?


You are welcome to stay home if you think it is 'dangerous'.

A thunderstorm could actually be acutely bad for people. The current air quality situation is NOT.


Here is an example (but there are many more, just go through the literature) of how any event of elevated fine particular matter increases impose a risk on everyone, even if they don't perceive being affected in the moment: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/04/230405214852.htm


This is kind of unprecedented in this area, but in most communities in the West where fires are more common, there are protocols and clear metrics to follow for cancelling activities.

This is it says on Airnow.gov about the red zone:

“People with heart or lung disease, older adults, children and teens – take any of these steps to reduce your exposure:

Avoid strenuous outdoor activities.
Keep outdoor activities short.
Consider moving physical activities indoors or rescheduling them.
Everyone else – take any of these steps to reduce your exposure:

Choose less strenuous activities (like walking instead of running) so you don’t breathe as hard.
Shorten the amount of time you are active outdoors.
Be active outdoors when air quality is better.”

So cancelling outdoor recess and outdoor sports, where kids will be active, makes sense. Outdoor graduation where folks will not be active? That seems like a tougher call. For the majority, it will probably be fine. Masks are really great for filtering particulates. Now, if we were to push up into the purple or maroon zones, that seems like a clearer case for cancelling because the advice gets more restrictive.


Reasonable approach.

Considering that wearing masks is a valid option, it makes sense that we do hood graduation.


Keep grandma and grandpa home.


Yep. Keep the elderly at home and let the rest of us go on with business as usual.
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Anonymous wrote:What about high school graduation? Whitman graduation is tomorrow at 9am at the school


A few hours won't kill you. It won't have any long term impact.

You'll be slightly uncomfortable for a few hours. That's it


This. Seriously. I hope they don't cancel high school graduation for this. People who are concerned can wear a mask. Or stay home and watch a live stream.


People who are graduating can't stay home and watch a live stream.


^^^Neither can faculty or staff who are participating in the graduation ceremony. I don't know what MCPS should do, but I do know that people who say the effects of PM2.5 is "slightly uncomfortable for a few hours" either don't know what they're talking about or are purposely minimizing the problem.


MCPS should encourage people who are concerned to wear a N95 mask and they should allow schools to hold their graduation ceremonies.


Yeah, but people who aren't concerned will also experience health effects.


MCPS is only responsible for so much of our lives.


True. For example, whether or not to hold an outdoor graduation when the air quality is dangerously bad.


Dramatic much?

It is not dangerously bad for most people. Most people will be fine if they hold graduation. And people who are concerned are welcome to wear masks to make it less dangerous for them.


It may not be acutely dangerously bad for most people, but PM2.5 is bad for everyone's health.

And, again, should MCPS hold a public event under conditions that are dangerous? If there were a thunderstorm, for example, would people say, "People who are concerned about lightning are welcome to stay at home and watch the live stream"? Your odds of getting hit by lightning are very low after all. Or even if it just rained, which isn't even dangerous. Is the outdoor graduation intended to happen rain or shine?


You are welcome to stay home if you think it is 'dangerous'.

A thunderstorm could actually be acutely bad for people. The current air quality situation is NOT.


Here is an example (but there are many more, just go through the literature) of how any event of elevated fine particular matter increases impose a risk on everyone, even if they don't perceive being affected in the moment: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/04/230405214852.htm


This is kind of unprecedented in this area, but in most communities in the West where fires are more common, there are protocols and clear metrics to follow for cancelling activities.

This is it says on Airnow.gov about the red zone:

“People with heart or lung disease, older adults, children and teens – take any of these steps to reduce your exposure:

Avoid strenuous outdoor activities.
Keep outdoor activities short.
Consider moving physical activities indoors or rescheduling them.
Everyone else – take any of these steps to reduce your exposure:

Choose less strenuous activities (like walking instead of running) so you don’t breathe as hard.
Shorten the amount of time you are active outdoors.
Be active outdoors when air quality is better.”

So cancelling outdoor recess and outdoor sports, where kids will be active, makes sense. Outdoor graduation where folks will not be active? That seems like a tougher call. For the majority, it will probably be fine. Masks are really great for filtering particulates. Now, if we were to push up into the purple or maroon zones, that seems like a clearer case for cancelling because the advice gets more restrictive.


Reasonable approach.

Considering that wearing masks is a valid option, it makes sense that we do hood graduation.


Keep grandma and grandpa home.


Yep. Keep the elderly at home and let the rest of us go on with business as usual.

Well, maybe not run a marathon.
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