Deal teacher hit by kid

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What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

Exactly what it sounds like. Adults coming to fight kids their kids have a problem with. It’s 30-50 year olds. It isn’t out of the ordinary and be happy you don’t have this at your school.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

Exactly what it sounds like. Adults coming to fight kids their kids have a problem with. It’s 30-50 year olds. It isn’t out of the ordinary and be happy you don’t have this at your school.

+1...All this keyboard courage on here would get you in a real "situation" at a lot of schools everywhere. If someone even thinks you said something about them, it's on. School systems are asked to fill a lot of holes in our society. There really should be a mandatory parenting class before any child is allowed to attend a public school. At least a semester long but prefer a year. No one is perfect but a lot of this is just simple immaturity.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids can’t be punished at deal. That’s the rule.

This isn't only an issue at Deal.

This is really an issue of a well-intentioned piece of legislation that was written and passed by folks with ZERO classroom or school-based experience. It was passed over the objections of MULTIPLE school leaders (though none in DCPS because no principal or school-level staff dare testify and go against whatever canned response the Mayor/DME or other political actors declare is the DCPS position). There were working groups and meetings where school staff and career professionals told DC Council how this would play out. There were teachers and principals (again, charter) who showed up and said..."this will have a huge impact on our schools". Of course, that was seen (by some) as a statement that charters didn't want certain students. Maybe that wasn't the case?

Seasoned teachers and school staff (like me) are leaving (or have gone) because we have no sense of safety in our work place. I could honestly deal with the threat of a school shootings. I couldn't take the fact that a kid could walk up to me and call me a wicked name (like the constant "gay" or other slurs), spit on me, slap me, or just come in my classroom to disrupt it. Honestly, it was not like that for me until about 5 years ago.

It is just exhausting- I don't want kids in the prison pipeline, but I also don't need to feel threatened or to see other kids put in that position. It is really such a small number of people- we just need a "something" for them to help them get what they need to be successful with other kids. Of course I hate removing some from the opportunity to learn. But you know what I hate more? Dumbing everything down and not getting through 30% of my course material because 2 kids can't let the others learn...what do we owe to the other 22 students?

Perhaps the pendulum just swung too far in the "restorative" without realizing that a necessary condition to "restoring" something is the actor realizing they did something wrong? Oddly, I was trained in restorative practices nearly 10 years ago and that was the first thing we learned- it only works with active participants and those that see a harm has occurred. It is sad that such a wonderful tool was put forward as the panica in education and then, it didn't pan out.

There is no consequence, nor incentive that seems to be working to curb these enormously disturbing and disruptive behaviors. There are so few tools for schools to handle these situations. THEY HAVE NO OPTIONS. For some, I think they believed that this was all in the name of anti-racism and providing more opportunities for under-invested youth. I agree we need something (and I believe there is an answer) but lowering the expectations (academic or behavioral) for significant numbers of students and our schools because we can't figure out something better is only allowing our schools to continue to fail large numbers of DC youth.

I'm glad folks are realizing these issues are present- email your elected reps, because I guarantee you that Ms. Neal and other school-based staff want a solution WAY more than you can every believe.

Great post. I have a kid who acts out and the school is not willing to give him consequences that I think would be appropriate. On the flip side, his behavior is very much learned from/kindled by other children’s bad behavior. I honestly think if “being sent to the principal’s office” was still a thing, he’d be much better. Kids need swift, unemotional consequences, but somehow it turns into a giant production that gives too much attention to it.

The flip side is that DCPS is woefully unprepared to deal with behavioral issues that stem from legitimate diagnoses. That means kids stay in gen ed dysregulated because everyone knows the BES classes are only for the really really tough kids.

This was our experience!! (elementary at DCPS) We BEGGED them to pull our kid with medium level behavior issues out of the school and place her in a different setting. She wasn't "bad" enough to go to BES, they said, "you don't want her with *them*") -- I was like ... ok, well you aren't equipped to deal w/ her in gen ed, so ... what do you propose? SHe was absolutely disrupting others. (But not hurting them) I had to pull her and file a due process complaint. I won, but like -- WHO was served w/ that initial policy? Not my kid. Not the other kids in the class. Literally served no one -- except DCPS who didn't want to pay for non public

I feel you! So what did you end up doing?

I have hired my own behavioral expert and educational consultant to set up various plans, which the school basically never follows. I have to laugh when people try to suggest there is some secret thing I should be doing. I’m like, would you like to see my therapy bills?

PP back again. You gotta lawyer up. It's the only way. We placed our kid in a non public then filed due process complaint and won back tuition. It's a hell of a gamble.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

I wanna laugh at the thought of a parent chasing a kid and yelling at the same time. But it's just sad. What type of security allows a parent to just walk in..jeez? I know I can't do that.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

This was Macfarland right?

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

Are you in DC? I have heard about this in some other jurisdictions, but DC's system of private placements makes this a huge gamble.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

Sorry- The response below is to this poster...

PP back again. You gotta lawyer up. It's the only way. We placed our kid in a non public then filed due process complaint and won back tuition. It's a hell of a gamble.

Are you in DC? I have heard about this in some other jurisdictions, but DC's system of private placements makes this a huge gamble.

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What is going on with kids? I know adults in this country are angry all the time. Are kids feeding off adult anger? Americans have some serious anger management problems. I suspect it’s because everyone feels under attack, which is hyped by the media.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

Are you in DC? I have heard about this in some other jurisdictions, but DC's system of private placements makes this a huge gamble.

DP. The issue is that DCPS now claims to have self-contained classrooms to deal with disruptive behaviors (BES) but they are so bad that it is common knowledge you should not let your kid get placed there. The biggest objective issue for my kid (not sure about PP) would be lack of grade level instruction. Also I am not sure about PP who got private placement, but DCPS *still* regularly violates IDEA procedures without a care. If PP had a fact record showing a long history of DCPS flouting IDEA, they likely had a better argument.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

You need to get out of your bubble and learn about other cultures.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

There was an altercation at the school between students, one of which called his parents, they showed up at the school, walked in the front door past security, happened to find that other kid involved and started attacking him. The melee proceeded to move outside where the parents chased the kid all the way around the school back to the front of the building. At this point dozens of students ran out the front door to jump in the fight or film the fight and this is when the school did a half assed lockdown.

I wanna laugh at the thought of a parent chasing a kid and yelling at the same time. But it's just sad. What type of security allows a parent to just walk in..jeez? I know I can't do that.

Security didn’t let the parent in. The parent jumps the kid outside the building. It’s been happening for a very long time. People who post on DCUM seem to have no actual idea what some of these schools are like.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this even mean, "parents coming to school to fight kids?" Are these like 16 y/o parents?

You need to get out of your bubble and learn about other cultures.

You need to stop apologizing for this type of behavior and claiming it is evidence of "culture". It isn't. It is criminal behavior. Wrapping your arms around it and defending it as part of black culture that white people need to appreciate is simply crap.

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS is really spiraling, family I know who has a middle and high school student at CHEC say the place is a disaster. Kids fighting, threatening teachers, kids wandering the hallways all day. Apparently they had a lockdown yesterday because parents showed up at the school to fight kids. Major brawl ensued with parents students fighting and staff trying to break it up. Kids dismissed early. Apparently the main aggressors are known trouble makers that have been fighting all year.

That was a thing at MacFarland back when I taught 6th grade there. Parents would come to school to fight the kids. Lock downs were frequent and sometimes we had early dismissal. Teachers were told to get in our cars and go home.

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I’ve been teaching in various districts for 20 years. Parents coming to school to fight kids, fights in the hallway, kids roaming the halls, cursing teachers, dealing drugs, etc. has been going on since day 1 of my teacher career.
That was a thing at MacFarland back when I taught 6th grade there. Parents would come to school to fight the kids. Lock downs were frequent and sometimes we had early dismissal. Teachers were told to get in our cars and go home.

Wow, what a sh*tshow in DCPS. For things like above to be a common occurrence tells me they let things get way out of control and there are no major consequences.

The parents coming to jump the kid at school. Why can’t the police be called on the parents for attacking a kid and trespassing on school property?