Rand Paul staffer brutally stabbed on Saturday

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

You are confused or just flat out lying. He was sentenced to 148 months of imprisonment. DC, like the federal system, abolished parole years ago. Everyone serves their term of custody set off only by good time credit earned. He wasn’t arrested in Chicago in 2022. He was serving his sentence in a federal penitentiary. Upon completion of his term of custody — which by the way was for charges arising from running a prostitution ring for a period of a month with a cousin — he was subject to a five year term of supervised release. This has zero to do with criminal justice reform..

And in the interest in avoiding further confusion, the term parole as generally understood — and as formerly available under the parallel DC and federal systems — meant release prior to the completion of the sentenced term of custody. Generally speaking, a parole violation resulted in the offender being returned to custody to complete the remainder of the original sentence, at least in the case of a technical violation such as missing appointments with a parole officer, failed drug tests or other violations of the terms of parole. An offender who violates the terms of supervision instead is subject to a revocation of supervision and resentencing by the court for an addition term of “backup time,” in addition to whatever sentence might be forthcoming for any crime committed while under supervision.

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

You are confused or just flat out lying. He was sentenced to 148 months of imprisonment. DC, like the federal system, abolished parole years ago. Everyone serves their term of custody set off only by good time credit earned. He wasn’t arrested in Chicago in 2022. He was serving his sentence in a federal penitentiary. Upon completion of his term of custody — which by the way was for charges arising from running a prostitution ring for a period of a month with a cousin — he was subject to a five year term of supervised release. This has zero to do with criminal justice reform..

Are you minimizing his crime? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

Sending these mental health consumers to prison is not good for society. They don’t get the treatment and health they need in prison, the inmate do their time and then released back into society. They need to me in psych wards and receive diagnosis and treatment not prisons. So now this guy will go back to prison, do his time, released, rinse and repeat. We need to reopen the mental institutions. They need not be like they were of old, but they need to open up and start treating these people. Get them off the streets.

Our scant mental health resources should go to non violent people. Violent people belong in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

Sending these mental health consumers to prison is not good for society. They don’t get the treatment and health they need in prison, the inmate do their time and then released back into society. They need to me in psych wards and receive diagnosis and treatment not prisons. So now this guy will go back to prison, do his time, released, rinse and repeat. We need to reopen the mental institutions. They need not be like they were of old, but they need to open up and start treating these people. Get them off the streets.

Our scant mental health resources should go to non violent people. Violent people belong in prison.

We need more mental health resources and they need to be widely available.
But that said I agree that violent people, and predatory repeat offenders belong in prison if and until they can somehow be rehabilitated and returned to society.

[Anonymous]

I hate to say it, but first and foremost we need incapacitation through incarceration. Then let's figure out what mental health treatment and/or job training needed. But all these violent crimes in broad daylight need to stop. People also have a right to safety.

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

Sending these mental health consumers to prison is not good for society. They don’t get the treatment and health they need in prison, the inmate do their time and then released back into society. They need to me in psych wards and receive diagnosis and treatment not prisons. So now this guy will go back to prison, do his time, released, rinse and repeat. We need to reopen the mental institutions. They need not be like they were of old, but they need to open up and start treating these people. Get them off the streets.

There is a shortage of mental health professionals so before anyone can open large mental health facilities we need more trained specialists for them. There aren’t even enough social workers in most places.

This!

I work in a mental health facility. We are overflowing with patients and inadequate staffing. And guess what? We also have a revolving door - patients are treated, stabilize, get released, go off their meds, and come right back. Mental health treatment isn’t the solution you think it is.

100% time and again they've shown patients don't want to be medicated, they don't want to be well. Under those circumstances, that person isn't going to be rehabilitated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

Sending these mental health consumers to prison is not good for society. They don’t get the treatment and health they need in prison, the inmate do their time and then released back into society. They need to me in psych wards and receive diagnosis and treatment not prisons. So now this guy will go back to prison, do his time, released, rinse and repeat. We need to reopen the mental institutions. They need not be like they were of old, but they need to open up and start treating these people. Get them off the streets.

Our scant mental health resources should go to non violent people. Violent people belong in prison.

We need more mental health resources and they need to be widely available.
But that said I agree that violent people, and predatory repeat offenders belong in prison if and until they can somehow be rehabilitated and returned to society.

As other commenters have mentioned we don’t have more mental health resources because we don’t have enough mental health professionals. People keep talking about more mental health support but those are trained professionals. They aren’t just sitting around waiting to get a call to work. There’s a shortage.

[Anonymous]

We need to lock up violent offenders and keep them off the street.

No more no cash bail. No more "good behavior." Keep them off the damn streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but first and foremost we need incapacitation through incarceration. Then let's figure out what mental health treatment and/or job training needed. But all these violent crimes in broad daylight need to stop. People also have a right to safety.

THIS^. We are causing mental health issues for everyone by releasing mentally disturbed violent people. Is it healthy to always being scared of becoming a victim????!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but first and foremost we need incapacitation through incarceration. Then let's figure out what mental health treatment and/or job training needed. But all these violent crimes in broad daylight need to stop. People also have a right to safety.

THIS^. We are causing mental health issues for everyone by releasing mentally disturbed violent people. Is it healthy to always being scared of becoming a victim????!!!!

If this continues, we are going to see more instances of vigilante justice. That is not a good thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

Sending these mental health consumers to prison is not good for society. They don’t get the treatment and health they need in prison, the inmate do their time and then released back into society. They need to me in psych wards and receive diagnosis and treatment not prisons. So now this guy will go back to prison, do his time, released, rinse and repeat. We need to reopen the mental institutions. They need not be like they were of old, but they need to open up and start treating these people. Get them off the streets.

There is a shortage of mental health professionals so before anyone can open large mental health facilities we need more trained specialists for them. There aren’t even enough social workers in most places.

This!

I work in a mental health facility. We are overflowing with patients and inadequate staffing. And guess what? We also have a revolving door - patients are treated, stabilize, get released, go off their meds, and come right back. Mental health treatment isn’t the solution you think it is.

100% time and again they've shown patients don't want to be medicated, they don't want to be well. Under those circumstances, that person isn't going to be rehabilitated.

You can't force people to be medicated. Well... I guess if it is a vaccine, that's different. But, forcing medical treatments on people is wrong. Usually.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but first and foremost we need incapacitation through incarceration. Then let's figure out what mental health treatment and/or job training needed. But all these violent crimes in broad daylight need to stop. People also have a right to safety.

THIS^. We are causing mental health issues for everyone by releasing mentally disturbed violent people. Is it healthy to always being scared of becoming a victim????!!!!

Take it up with the GOP who closed all the institutions that might have housed potentially violent mentally ill people. You all wanted to save the money. Voila.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think PP who posted about fentanyl psychosis was probably right. This doesn’t seem like a “crime” in the traditional sense in that the criminal had nothing to gain—it wasn’t a mugging or drug hit or anything, just random illogical violence by someone who probably has scrambled eggs for brains. Like the guy who stabbed that woman in Logan circle. Or the guy who poured a gallon of his own urine over a woman in McPherson square. I don’t even know if it’s right to call these people mentally ill—I think they have significant brain damage that is probably not amenable to treatment. Maybe there’s a way to reverse the damage but I doubt that traditional therapies for the mental I’ll are the answer, even if they were available.

Perhaps. But he managed to get released from prison ok.

He served his sentence.

Turns out he didn’t serve his sentence. Early release and violated his DC parole.

Arrested in Chicago in 2022 and parole violation charges dismissed.

Criminal justice reform in action. Be careful out there.

Sending these mental health consumers to prison is not good for society. They don’t get the treatment and health they need in prison, the inmate do their time and then released back into society. They need to me in psych wards and receive diagnosis and treatment not prisons. So now this guy will go back to prison, do his time, released, rinse and repeat. We need to reopen the mental institutions. They need not be like they were of old, but they need to open up and start treating these people. Get them off the streets.

There is a shortage of mental health professionals so before anyone can open large mental health facilities we need more trained specialists for them. There aren’t even enough social workers in most places.

This!

I work in a mental health facility. We are overflowing with patients and inadequate staffing. And guess what? We also have a revolving door - patients are treated, stabilize, get released, go off their meds, and come right back. Mental health treatment isn’t the solution you think it is.

100% time and again they've shown patients don't want to be medicated, they don't want to be well. Under those circumstances, that person isn't going to be rehabilitated.

“Your butt” is not a reliable source.

Lots of the people who “don’t want to be medicated” can’t tolerate the side effects. And I’d read the list of possible side effects before pretending they don’t have a point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but first and foremost we need incapacitation through incarceration. Then let's figure out what mental health treatment and/or job training needed. But all these violent crimes in broad daylight need to stop. People also have a right to safety.

THIS^. We are causing mental health issues for everyone by releasing mentally disturbed violent people. Is it healthy to always being scared of becoming a victim????!!!!

NP. This is the first thing that came to my mind as I read through the thread too. The first and biggest part of “mental health reform” in this country needs to be making sure our streets are safe from violent crime and absent of drug dealers and pimps, making sure our schools are stable with strict and known expectations for behavior and consequences, making sure our citizens can use libraries for job searching and education and recreation because they aren’t filled with people high on drugs. Basically we need to get back to civilized society. Without that, we’ll just see more and more people falling into mental health crises.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone considered that the mental health issues may have been CAUSED by the time in prison? He spent 12 years of prison for prostitution charges.
Pimping is bad news, but not generally the job of choice for people who claim to hear voices. He also behaved himself pretty well in there, enough to get out early.

So, putting these factors together, he either went insane in prison, or he’s pretending to be insane so he can go back. No tidy answers…