Doctors who went to Caribbean medical schools or DOs

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Anonymous wrote:North Carolina all the dialysis facilities are owned by one guy.

He went to med school in the Caribbean he also got into every top medical school in the US when he applied. He went to the Caribbean bec why not study there? He couldn't decide whether to be a ski instructor or a nephrologist.

Let's just say he made all the right choices. He happens to be an amazing human. Smart as a whip. Great bedside manner.

You might not like his path. I'd say he ended up more than fine.

I am dubious of your assessment. Really.

Yeah well he is laughing all the way to the bank.

He is a great human, we should all be lucky to have had him as a doctor.

[Anonymous]

Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

It really is that US med schools are picking worse candidates yet at the same time making it harder for smart, socially adjusted students to get in....its pathetic...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

It really is that US med schools are picking worse candidates yet at the same time making it harder for smart, socially adjusted students to get in....its pathetic...

Since these kids apply to like 40 schools now just to make sure they get in somewhere, each gets thousands of applications for 200 measly seats. They are lazy and take the predictable path of least resistance, so they mostly consider hours and statistics. These individuals may be good students and resume builders, but they will not necessarily make the best doctors. I predict that most people will not be satisfied with their physicians in 15 or 20 years since they are keeping a lot of great people out in favor if the gunners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

It really is that US med schools are picking worse candidates yet at the same time making it harder for smart, socially adjusted students to get in....its pathetic...

+ a million.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 160 med schools and 40 DO schools in the us.

The reality is I doubt the Caribbean schools are worse than the bottom 100 med schools in the us.

Since I really prefer a NP for many things I really don’t think it’s a big deal to see a MD from a Caribbean school,

If I had a serious condition I’m going to someone at medstar or Hopkins and expect them to weed out the doctors.

The reality is I’m pretty unimpressed by most MDs educated in the US.

Better believe it. That literally why they exist. Because people who can’t get into any of the US schools go there

Not really. It’s also cheaper. Once you don’t get into one of the top 50 in the US there’s no reason to go to Mississippi med school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

It really is that US med schools are picking worse candidates yet at the same time making it harder for smart, socially adjusted students to get in....its pathetic...

Since these kids apply to like 40 schools now just to make sure they get in somewhere, each gets thousands of applications for 200 measly seats. They are lazy and take the predictable path of least resistance, so they mostly consider hours and statistics. These individuals may be good students and resume builders, but they will not necessarily make the best doctors. I predict that most people will not be satisfied with their physicians in 15 or 20 years since they are keeping a lot of great people out in favor if the gunners.

Even in the 90s most people that I knew applied to about 20 med schools. Mostly because it seemed like there wasn’t always rhyme or reason to who did and who did not get into good schools.
I went to a top SLAC, and don’t know anyone who ended up in a DO school or the Caribbean, though.
Now we get a fair number of residency applicants who went to Ivy league schools for undergrad, but went to a Caribbean med schools. It seems odd to me; that did not happen in the 90s.

The residents seem so lazy and entitled to me for the last 5 years or so, but becoming an attending has a way of sharpening their focus (the power of fear!), so I’m hoping that they all snap out of it when they finish training. I do feel like I spend less time with the residents and fellows than I used to. They will reject my attempts to go over complex cases and discuss issues after 5 PM - which is when I can take a minute to discuss without being continuously interrupted - because they just want to go home. I’m afraid to push it because they come in early, so if I keep them after 6 then they can report me to the ACGME for learner mistreatment. That said, the junior faculty seem more likely to seek out mentoring and advice now.

And gunners have been gunning since at least the mid 90s (when I started med school). They’re a constant!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

But was it always that 60% of applicants are rejected every year kind of hard? I think not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

Yes, but it is next level now.

I keep hearing that it’s so much harder, but the med students really haven’t gotten any better over the last 15 years since I’ve been on the faculty of two different medical schools.

The 4 or 5 Caribbean med school grads and DO trainees that I have worked with on a daily basis are fine. I would go to one for most things.
They haven’t been the top of the top with regard to intellectual curiosity, but most doctors aren’t - regardless of what school they attended. All have been very diligent and hard workers.

Of course they are not actually “better” at being doctors, probably worse. But, they have become better only at taking tests, grade grubbing, and extracurricular box checking, and other opportunistic BS.

It really is that US med schools are picking worse candidates yet at the same time making it harder for smart, socially adjusted students to get in....its pathetic...

Since these kids apply to like 40 schools now just to make sure they get in somewhere, each gets thousands of applications for 200 measly seats. They are lazy and take the predictable path of least resistance, so they mostly consider hours and statistics. These individuals may be good students and resume builders, but they will not necessarily make the best doctors. I predict that most people will not be satisfied with their physicians in 15 or 20 years since they are keeping a lot of great people out in favor if the gunners.

Even in the 90s most people that I knew applied to about 20 med schools. Mostly because it seemed like there wasn’t always rhyme or reason to who did and who did not get into good schools.
I went to a top SLAC, and don’t know anyone who ended up in a DO school or the Caribbean, though.
Now we get a fair number of residency applicants who went to Ivy league schools for undergrad, but went to a Caribbean med schools. It seems odd to me; that did not happen in the 90s.

The residents seem so lazy and entitled to me for the last 5 years or so, but becoming an attending has a way of sharpening their focus (the power of fear!), so I’m hoping that they all snap out of it when they finish training. I do feel like I spend less time with the residents and fellows than I used to. They will reject my attempts to go over complex cases and discuss issues after 5 PM - which is when I can take a minute to discuss without being continuously interrupted - because they just want to go home. I’m afraid to push it because they come in early, so if I keep them after 6 then they can report me to the ACGME for learner mistreatment. That said, the junior faculty seem more likely to seek out mentoring and advice now.

And gunners have been gunning since at least the mid 90s (when I started med school). They’re a constant!

Everyone who I knew in the 90s who went to med school was smart and hard working, but normal with a normal social life. I’m guessing that that isn’t the case anymore since they now expect you to center your entire life around building up your CV for med school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Med school admissions has become so ridiculously and farcically impossible that some very smart, accomplished people have been forced to resort to other paths to becoming physicians. It has truly reached the point of absurdity.

It was always hard.

But was it always that 60% of applicants are rejected every year kind of hard? I think not.

Yes. It was always this way. When I applied to medical school acceptances were in the single digits (20-25 years ago). There were only 120 US medical schools then and now there are more so actually it is easier now.

[Anonymous]

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.