Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?

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Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.

Your assumption is a racist one.

True.

Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd

Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.

NP. Of course they do. They live in a world where they will be judged more harshly if they don’t use prescriptive grammar. But they probably code switch.

PP here. I knew someone would say what you've written, but I disagree. Just because they wanted their students to learn correct English and meet high standards academically doesn't mean they thinking about being judged more harshly. It's important for anyone who wants to be successful professionally.

NP. You, clearly, are white and someone whose base language is more standard English. What I can't understand is, seeing all the judgments thrown out on this thread, is how you cannot see why black educators would stress the importance of 'proper' English to their students. Midwestern white people like me who say 'should have went', 'acrosst', 'worsh', etc. and with noticeable accents don't don't face the same intensity of judgment/discrimination as black people.

I changed my accent and way of speaking when I went to college because it was clear that I was perceived as ignorant. I wasn't. I have degrees in the Classics and Philosophy as well as an MBA. I speak 5 languages and can read/write in 2 dead languages. When I go home, I speak in my vernacular - every language has vernaculars that are different than the written/official language). When I write, I do not.

I highly recommend people look at Sunn m'Cheaux's posting on Instagram/TikTok/Twitter. He's an expert in this area and I find it fascinating.
https://alp.fas.harvard.edu/people/sunn-mcheaux
https://www.sunnmcheaux.com/

I'm amazed that you think Black educators don't speak correct English for any reason other than pressure and being judged harshly. As a group, most Black educators grew up using correct English.

NP.

We all need to conform to certain norms in order to be successful professionally. The "norm" for the dialect that we decided professional is based on what was historically upper class educated white people language. African American Vernacular English, as well as other dialects of English that we associated with undesirable regions or SESs, are considered "unprofessional" for no reason. We didn't choose this out of a desire of clarity of communication, but rather because whiteness was and is considered standard, ideal, etc.

And I have had plenty of black and white educators use double negatives, drop verbs, etc. It's not a big deal as long as they can teach you what they are supposed to teach you and students understand that academic speech and casual speech are different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.

Your assumption is a racist one.

True.

Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd

Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.

NP. Of course they do. They live in a world where they will be judged more harshly if they don’t use prescriptive grammar. But they probably code switch.

PP here. I knew someone would say what you've written, but I disagree. Just because they wanted their students to learn correct English and meet high standards academically doesn't mean they thinking about being judged more harshly. It's important for anyone who wants to be successful professionally.

NP. You, clearly, are white and someone whose base language is more standard English. What I can't understand is, seeing all the judgments thrown out on this thread, is how you cannot see why black educators would stress the importance of 'proper' English to their students. Midwestern white people like me who say 'should have went', 'acrosst', 'worsh', etc. and with noticeable accents don't don't face the same intensity of judgment/discrimination as black people.

I changed my accent and way of speaking when I went to college because it was clear that I was perceived as ignorant. I wasn't. I have degrees in the Classics and Philosophy as well as an MBA. I speak 5 languages and can read/write in 2 dead languages. When I go home, I speak in my vernacular - every language has vernaculars that are different than the written/official language). When I write, I do not.

I highly recommend people look at Sunn m'Cheaux's posting on Instagram/TikTok/Twitter. He's an expert in this area and I find it fascinating.
https://alp.fas.harvard.edu/people/sunn-mcheaux
https://www.sunnmcheaux.com/

I'm amazed that you think Black educators don't speak correct English for any reason other than pressure and being judged harshly. As a group, most Black educators grew up using correct English.

NP.

We all need to conform to certain norms in order to be successful professionally. The "norm" for the dialect that we decided professional is based on what was historically upper class educated white people language. African American Vernacular English, as well as other dialects of English that we associated with undesirable regions or SESs, are considered "unprofessional" for no reason. We didn't choose this out of a desire of clarity of communication, but rather because whiteness was and is considered standard, ideal, etc.

And I have had plenty of black and white educators use double negatives, drop verbs, etc. It's not a big deal as long as they can teach you what they are supposed to teach you and students understand that academic speech and casual speech are different.

Not sure which poster you're attempting to educate; but, within the world of education, there is an expectation of correct English usage in the classroom. That expectation applies to teachers in most school districts in the United States, whether or not they are black or white educators. I never said anything suggesting that black educators or white educators use casual or academic speech more or less often.