The Bike Lobby is too powerful in DC...

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Anonymous wrote:I ride a bike and drive a car. I have no problem with holding bikers and motorists to the same obligations to obey all traffic signs regardless if on a bike or a car. That makes both safer. How can anyone argue that it is safer for bikers to be able to run stop signs? Again, love cycling but this is just common sense to me.

Generally, if you can just proceed through the intersection as soon as you verify that it is clear, that is better for bikes, instead of stopping fully. Bikes and cars are totally different vehicles.

Ok then why do we share a road? Why do I have to creep behind the Little Engine that Could if we are different vehicles with different capabilities.

And I see how its better to slow down than make a full stop....but tell that to all the bikers that I almost hit when I have the right of way, use my turn signal and safely proceed and they run through a stop sign. Share the road, share the rules.

The same reason a Prius and a turbocharged F-350 share a road?

Nice try, but a Prius and F-350 can both keep traffic moving at 25mph.

You don't have a right to go 25mph. You want to and don't care about other people. You probably also sit in traffic complaining about too many cars on the road.

So say its a one lane road with a 30mph limit, you think its ok to bike at.....15mph?....and slow down everyone behind you...and then roll through that stop sign. Talk about entitlement.....

Do you know what a speed limit is? Because the 30 MPH you are referring to is a limit, not a floor. Are you aware of any minimum speeds on any roads that aren't interstate highways? Please do let me know when you find one.

You guys can high five each other all you want in pointing out the obvious difference between a limit and a floor or the lack of minimum speed limits....the point is that bikes slow down traffic on streets that were built for cars.

Thank you for demonstrating your actual position here.

You're welcome hon! Now let me know when you want to talk about both biker and driver safety, liability, use of roads with availability of bike lanes and the enormous cost to taxpayers.

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Anonymous wrote:I ride a bike and drive a car. I have no problem with holding bikers and motorists to the same obligations to obey all traffic signs regardless if on a bike or a car. That makes both safer. How can anyone argue that it is safer for bikers to be able to run stop signs? Again, love cycling but this is just common sense to me.

Generally, if you can just proceed through the intersection as soon as you verify that it is clear, that is better for bikes, instead of stopping fully. Bikes and cars are totally different vehicles.

Ok then why do we share a road? Why do I have to creep behind the Little Engine that Could if we are different vehicles with different capabilities.

And I see how its better to slow down than make a full stop....but tell that to all the bikers that I almost hit when I have the right of way, use my turn signal and safely proceed and they run through a stop sign. Share the road, share the rules.

The same reason a Prius and a turbocharged F-350 share a road?

Nice try, but a Prius and F-350 can both keep traffic moving at 25mph.

You don't have a right to go 25mph. You want to and don't care about other people. You probably also sit in traffic complaining about too many cars on the road.

So say its a one lane road with a 30mph limit, you think its ok to bike at.....15mph?....and slow down everyone behind you...and then roll through that stop sign. Talk about entitlement.....

Do you know what a speed limit is? Because the 30 MPH you are referring to is a limit, not a floor. Are you aware of any minimum speeds on any roads that aren't interstate highways? Please do let me know when you find one.

You guys can high five each other all you want in pointing out the obvious difference between a limit and a floor or the lack of minimum speed limits....the point is that bikes slow down traffic on streets that were built for cars.

Thank you for demonstrating your actual position here.

You're welcome hon! Now let me know when you want to talk about both biker and driver safety, liability, use of roads with availability of bike lanes and the enormous cost to taxpayers.

The enormous cost to taxpayers, and really all of society from driving? More people biking is actually better overall.

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The only way I would ride a bike is in protected lanes. A colleague was doored and paralyzed for life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only way I would ride a bike is in protected lanes. A colleague was doored and paralyzed for life.

Welcome to "The Bike Lobby"

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Anonymous wrote:I ride a bike and drive a car. I have no problem with holding bikers and motorists to the same obligations to obey all traffic signs regardless if on a bike or a car. That makes both safer. How can anyone argue that it is safer for bikers to be able to run stop signs? Again, love cycling but this is just common sense to me.

Generally, if you can just proceed through the intersection as soon as you verify that it is clear, that is better for bikes, instead of stopping fully. Bikes and cars are totally different vehicles.

Ok then why do we share a road? Why do I have to creep behind the Little Engine that Could if we are different vehicles with different capabilities.

And I see how its better to slow down than make a full stop....but tell that to all the bikers that I almost hit when I have the right of way, use my turn signal and safely proceed and they run through a stop sign. Share the road, share the rules.

The same reason a Prius and a turbocharged F-350 share a road?

Nice try, but a Prius and F-350 can both keep traffic moving at 25mph.

You don't have a right to go 25mph. You want to and don't care about other people. You probably also sit in traffic complaining about too many cars on the road.

So say its a one lane road with a 30mph limit, you think its ok to bike at.....15mph?....and slow down everyone behind you...and then roll through that stop sign. Talk about entitlement.....

Do you know what a speed limit is? Because the 30 MPH you are referring to is a limit, not a floor. Are you aware of any minimum speeds on any roads that aren't interstate highways? Please do let me know when you find one.

You guys can high five each other all you want in pointing out the obvious difference between a limit and a floor or the lack of minimum speed limits....the point is that bikes slow down traffic on streets that were built for cars.

You are totally right. I think we need more bike lanes so that both means of travel are more efficient.

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You guys can high five each other all you want in pointing out the obvious difference between a limit and a floor or the lack of minimum speed limits....the point is that bikes slow down traffic on streets that were built for cars.

Thank you for demonstrating your actual position here.

Urban streets are not "built for cars", they are built to facilitate access to buildings. Access for all, not just those who own a car.

[Anonymous]

Question: does anyone know how many cars drive in DC and how many bikes ride in DC on an average daily basis?

Looking for an objective answer here not "well if we had bike lanes there would be more bikes " or "if we forced bikers to register, we would know the answer"

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Anonymous wrote:Question: does anyone know how many cars drive in DC and how many bikes ride in DC on an average daily basis?

Looking for an objective answer here not "well if we had bike lanes there would be more bikes " or "if we forced bikers to register, we would know the answer"

Why do you ask?

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Anonymous wrote:Question: does anyone know how many cars drive in DC and how many bikes ride in DC on an average daily basis?

Looking for an objective answer here not "well if we had bike lanes there would be more bikes " or "if we forced bikers to register, we would know the answer"

“I want to ask a question, but don’t care about any of the context surrounding the answer”

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Anonymous wrote:Question: does anyone know how many cars drive in DC and how many bikes ride in DC on an average daily basis?

Looking for an objective answer here not "well if we had bike lanes there would be more bikes " or "if we forced bikers to register, we would know the answer"

Question: does anyone know how many people enjoy being threatened by or injured by drivers?

Looking for an objective answer here.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: does anyone know how many cars drive in DC and how many bikes ride in DC on an average daily basis?

Looking for an objective answer here not "well if we had bike lanes there would be more bikes " or "if we forced bikers to register, we would know the answer"

“I want to ask a question, but don’t care about any of the context surrounding the answer”

"Facts are stubborn things."

[Anonymous]

I don't ride a bike but I'm not opposed to bike lanes generally.

I do think that major corridors like Massachusetts Ave, Wisconsin Ave, Connecticut Ave, 16th St, Georgia Ave, Pennsylvania Ave, N Capitol, etc should not allow any parking in order to maximize traffic flow. I don't mind if a few of those get dedicated bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:The bike lobby is awful in Alexandria: rude, aggressive, bullying, and they lie (they bring in people who live and work somewhere else to meetings, sign petitions etc to get things changed in Alexandria). The head of BPAC had his blind cyclist friends contact the city to request the crosswalk on Seminary that goes in front of the BPAC member’s house, claiming they needed the crosswalk to cross safely.

Talk about the ultimate special interest.

Oh, how terrible, a crosswalk.

It was part of the $1,000,000 plus for bike lane improvements for about 5 blocks. It included. Person crosswalk, that no one uses, in front of BPAC’s head house. IYKYK. It was ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Question: did anyone know how many people in the DC area want to drive vs. are strong-armed into driving?

Objective answers only please.

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Anonymous wrote:I ride a bike and drive a car. I have no problem with holding bikers and motorists to the same obligations to obey all traffic signs regardless if on a bike or a car. That makes both safer. How can anyone argue that it is safer for bikers to be able to run stop signs? Again, love cycling but this is just common sense to me.

Generally, if you can just proceed through the intersection as soon as you verify that it is clear, that is better for bikes, instead of stopping fully. Bikes and cars are totally different vehicles.

Ok then why do we share a road? Why do I have to creep behind the Little Engine that Could if we are different vehicles with different capabilities.

And I see how its better to slow down than make a full stop....but tell that to all the bikers that I almost hit when I have the right of way, use my turn signal and safely proceed and they run through a stop sign. Share the road, share the rules.

The same reason a Prius and a turbocharged F-350 share a road?

Nice try, but a Prius and F-350 can both keep traffic moving at 25mph.

You don't have a right to go 25mph. You want to and don't care about other people. You probably also sit in traffic complaining about too many cars on the road.

So say its a one lane road with a 30mph limit, you think its ok to bike at.....15mph?....and slow down everyone behind you...and then roll through that stop sign. Talk about entitlement.....

Do you know what a speed limit is? Because the 30 MPH you are referring to is a limit, not a floor. Are you aware of any minimum speeds on any roads that aren't interstate highways? Please do let me know when you find one.

You guys can high five each other all you want in pointing out the obvious difference between a limit and a floor or the lack of minimum speed limits....the point is that bikes slow down traffic on streets that were built for cars.

Unless it is a bike restricted road, like an interstate highway, there is no such thing. You realize our taxes go to those roads too, right?

You really need to change your mindset, because your car-centric myopy really distorts the reality.